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oh here we go again here we go again

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dude

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why because i [\h__\h] up again it's not

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good

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hey this is another episode of ufo

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garage i'm ben

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and i'm joe i'm here and this is where

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we talk about ufos aliens and

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all things weird yeah yeah

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dude episode 54. dude i don't give a

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i don't care oh wait wait we're wearing

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the same shirt oh [\h__\h] we are wearing

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you know what i do care about your shirt

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thank you

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listening uh then just listen to my

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words but if you're watching this as

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ufo garage 15 and get 15

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and uh we just uh we just tried to uh

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what were you calling it as a

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c a cb doobie doobie yeah smells tastes

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like weed

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i mean i feel pretty damn good i feel

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pretty chill not high

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yeah you know it's a calming sensation

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yes dude yeah so don't forget to go

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check them out uh they're they're

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awesome they're local here in austin

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uh but today guys we gotta we got a

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special guest we got we got a local guy

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um from texas uh it's gonna be our first

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one so this is pretty sweet

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uh he's an amazing artist and he runs a

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totally awesome podcast

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called conspire a theory um and uh his

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name is chris

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so uh chris what's up dude how you doing

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what's up guys how's it going it's going

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really good finally

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get up and talk with you guys i remember

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the first time i heard your show i was

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like on facebook

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and people were like talking about you

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know different shows and [\h__\h] and i saw

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this one

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post pop up say hey we're from austin

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and i'm like ugh

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austin gross yeah because i'm from san

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antonio and and we'll explain that

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but the thing is i listen to the show

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and i was like man i bet these guys are

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just a bunch of dope smoke and

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freedom-hating hippies

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and then i listen to the show and i'm

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like well two out of three ain't bad

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hell yeah but yeah i've been listening

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to the show and i absolutely love it man

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it's it's lots of fun

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it's good to have a good fun show and

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and i've been doing my show for like uh

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like about what two years now and

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and it's been like a lot of fun as well

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going on yeah dude i mean

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yeah the show's awesome you always have

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uh awesome topics and it

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goofy so it's going to be kind of like

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contrast but i mean it's it's uh

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so what it what's i guess question for

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you as far as your show like

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who has been like your favorite uh guest

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that you've had on your show any like

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stories that you've heard or uh

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interactions that you had from from

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guests being on your show or topics that

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you've talked about anything you've come

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across that kind of blown your mind

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um i would have i was like an avid fan

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of paranormal podcasts and just podcasts

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gaming podcast where i just

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stuff and and i was just the idiot that

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came in just to do the color commentary

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so that the other people can sound smart

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because i'm i'm the idiot so what i

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to go my own direction talk about other

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topics but they would always tell me

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this isn't that kind of show and then

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that other thing of you know like well i

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want to talk about this and this but

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like well that that's not but the kind

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of show that we do here so

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when i started my own show it's like

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okay now i don't have that excuse

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anymore

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yeah now you're the you're the

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professional you're the

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expert and other people that don't know

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about it sound dumb right

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yeah but the thing is i had to pretty

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much learn to do everything myself i had

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you know learn everything myself i mean

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did their own podcast they helped me out

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they they like sell me their old

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that you know recommend services and

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apps and stuff to me to use they'd help

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make sure that everything sounds good

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and fun and and

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shows i just had technical limitations

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and of all the guests i've had like my

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first year i was just hitting up all my

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friends that i made

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and stuff like that you know just going

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to want to do the show is i would run

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into a local san antonio cryptozoologist

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ken gerhart a lot at that shows and

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like that just talking about all this

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awesome stuff

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and i keep thinking to myself man i i

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they're saying the most interesting cool

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and you know and and i couldn't just you

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the comment section you know i just oh

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yeah i wanted to sort of have my chance

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at them all i guess i wanted to like

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it's sort of like a way for me to like

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and just get my foot in the door as as

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well and just talk to some of these

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yeah absolutely man yeah i mean and it's

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there's a lot of people that aren't as

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hard to get to like as you would think

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no like no matter who you are it's kind

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like nationally syndicated shows yeah

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totally and then here they are talking

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to my like little nothing show that's

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and joe and joe yeah oh yeah dude

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yeah dude i listen man i like it uh you

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the cryptozoologist guy uh that was a

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really cool episode you know just

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getting into bigfoot and like the

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histories of it and like the different

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avenues like the whole things

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uh that was that was super awesome man

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do you have like uh

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the time i mean

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how like what so what does that guy do

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like cryptozoology type stuff but is he

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he'll he'll do research and stuff like

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that and then people bring him in

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for like you know expertise on like

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cryptozoology stuff he'll do like a lot

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of television shows and

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stuff like that like lost in alaska yeah

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and he'll be he's basically one of the

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talking heads that's brought in as an

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expert he's

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he's very meticulous about his research

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he scrutinizes stuff you know quite a

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bit you know that's one of the reasons

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that i like him

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but he also does like the different

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layers of research

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out there as far as you know it's like

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the superficial well you know it's just

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swamp gas type of thing that you would

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you know more deeper research like well

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come from you know what is the history

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of the region you know what what have

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other people have said

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right that sort of above and beyond

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stuff and that's kind of why he's one of

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my one of my favorite guys you know

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he's a he's a pretty cool guy too you

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know it's it's

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he's just he's just one of those really

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cool guys out there that you really

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hardly ever meet because you know a lot

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of times

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um i i guess he's sort of like a bit of

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a skeptic

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i don't want to talk too much for him

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but he's like he's like a pretty cool

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dude like he has that critical

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um that that sort of you know he he

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applies critical thinking

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which i which i definitely admire but at

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the same time he's

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not going to dismiss the lore and stuff

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he's going to like include that stuff

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in there right but he's not going to say

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well this

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probably

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what contributed to the the

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the sort of lore of how we came to

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understanding this phenomenon as

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this yeah type of thing yeah that's a

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cool blend

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to have you know like uh because most

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people when you think

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skeptic right you think uh ufos ah they

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don't

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people are skeptics right

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but like in his case he may be a bit of

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a skeptic

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but his field is cryptozoology you know

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like that's an

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interesting like blend to have you know

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yeah yeah i mean it's sort of a a thing

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where

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you know i mean skeptic has sort of

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become a bad word in any kind of

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paranormal community

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and in a way like i think with the

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advent

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the social media you know it's sort of

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every single field in industry and

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fandom has sort of become a high school

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playground and skeptics are the bullies

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i mean they're they're pretty much the

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bullies

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right and and scientists are the cool

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kids that everyone wants to be but they

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don't want to hang out with anybody

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because they got the credibility

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and all that stuff yeah but the thing is

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you know i used to call myself a skeptic

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early on but now i i really

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i don't know that i would anymore

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because

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one of the things is you know when i'm

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talking to people you know i mean

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they're telling me some of the craziest

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most unbelievable stories

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but i i want to hear the story i want to

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hear the whole account

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oh yeah when they're when they're

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speaking to me you know

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i mean i'm taking their account

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seriously you know i'm i'm i'm listening

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them i'm hearing them out

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and for most people you know the like

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the

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to

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here where they can chime in and and

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debunk and shoot something down

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so they're not really paying attention

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as much and i kind of feel like

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you know like well that's not part of

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the you know it's

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that's not part of the process type of

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thing yeah

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and and with like a lot of skeptics and

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stuff because now i

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i don't know that i would call myself a

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skeptic you know i mean i still apply

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critical thinking yeah and you know

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whether or not i believe someone's story

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or not

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that's not going to stop me from hearing

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them out if i believe that

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their experience was the result of

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something else i'm still going to hear

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them out

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and because i want to like i feel like

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whenever i

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do any of my artwork or i'm talking to

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someone i feel like i'm solving a

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mystery and i kind of need

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all those clues yeah totally that's

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that's why i kind of dig that stuff down

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there

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so yeah absolutely man like every single

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little detail that they have i mean

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um if you remember my my three-part um

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interview with uh jack carroll yeah that

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was awesome

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yeah i was i was you know doing some

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digging on stuff like that because he

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would say things and say hey wait a

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minute can you like emphasize like what

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happened here

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want to you know because if i feel that

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there's like a loose end or a detail

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that that's nagging me it's like i want

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to like

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i want to hear it rounded out a bit more

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you know because

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one of the things i think was some or

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something said that the measure of

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intelligence

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is being able to entertain an idea

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without accepting it you know i mean i

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may not believe

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that all these people have that that

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what they think happened may have

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actually happened

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but i'm not gonna dismiss them you know

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because at the end you know

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they're the way i see it is their

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experience

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you know what they're telling me is you

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know that's what they said happen

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and and you know i mean i didn't have

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the experience so

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but i do want to kind of figure it out

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so i have to sort of hear it through

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their

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pers perceptive pers perspective

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perspective from their point of view

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yeah and and i

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and that's what i want to hear so that's

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why you know i

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like i talk to these people and and

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anybody who comes to my show you know i

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make sure you know are you absolutely

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sure that you want to come on

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and talk about this because i'm going to

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ask them you know i might ask some

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pressing questions you know i try not to

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play softball with anybody but it's sort

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of a

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a very sort of you know i just i just

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want to dig deeper in the details i'm

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not trying to scrutinize them or say you

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know oh that's not what happened i want

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you

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so i can better understand it

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because i want to understand their

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experience right and i think that that

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type of

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and i mean i'm not going to say

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journalism but just

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anybody can ask digging questions but

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it's like how you do it and

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i think a lot of times when you're

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labeled as a skeptic or you label

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yourself as a skeptic

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again like you said you come off as a

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bully in the way that you

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phrase questions often sounds at like an

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attack

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rather than you're honestly just curious

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about this one detail

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like what time of year was this uh do

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you remember if there were clouds in

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this guy

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like it's just all and how you phrase

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the question and sometimes you can sound

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like

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if you say it right then it comes off

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like oh

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it's genuine there's a way to be genuine

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about it yeah definitely

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yeah i mean for me for me mainstream

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journalism

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and all that stuff died the moment that

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sam donaldson interrupted an episode of

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friends

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that absolutely nothing happened in the

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oj trial

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we're just interrupting to be the first

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to tell you that no details have been

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like oh at that point i'm like okay

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journalism is dead

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that's when i realized your husband is

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dead but the point is

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because of that that doesn't mean that

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we can't hold ourselves to a higher

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journalistic standard

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um there are still tenets of of

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of ethical uh journalistic behavior and

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what we're getting now unfortunately is

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just a bunch of click bait [\h__\h]

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oh yeah and i think that's why podcasts

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are sort of thriving now

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yeah i mean because i mean look at our

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shows they're not just you know click

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bait

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you know let's talk about this go

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through all the details you know blah

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blah blah the bullet points

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so that people can argue with each other

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this is more like hey let's take the

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subject let's chew on it let's digest it

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let's have a conversation

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that's not so much you know an argument

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and i think that's sort of an art that's

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getting lost

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because with social media it's not about

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talking to each other it's all about

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just

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i mean any kind of any kind of social

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media crap

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is just click bait kung fu it's it's

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click bait google foo

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that's going on people are just throwing

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articles at each other that's such a

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good point man i've never thought about

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that like when you do

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when you focus on the headline and click

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bait and don't give a lot of information

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or

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a lot of a lot of cases with these

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you know click bait headlines and

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stories articles

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it's all just a ploy to create uh

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an argument in the community or whatever

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on that post it's a bunch of people

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you can you can take that post so many

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different ways negatively or

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or republican or democrat you know like

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yeah it leaves it so open and vague

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like you're right it does kind of just

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it's you're they're baiting you to argue

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with amongst yourselves and then it has

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no information whatsoever

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but you come away from it like well i

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hate that guy

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you know and you're like wait but there

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was no information in there at all like

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what do you mean

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yeah i mean more yeah more more social

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social media is training

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us to sort of like to play gotcha yeah

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and to like you know like well this

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article

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agrees with me but the thing is like

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because the

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general standard of journalism is so low

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right

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you know it's like i mean all these

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journalists most of them are activists

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they don't give a [\h__\h]

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yeah i mean they just they just want to

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win that's what most arguments online is

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people just want to win they don't want

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to have a conversation

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they don't want to they don't want to

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like you know maybe come up to an

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uncomfortable conclusion or actually

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think of something

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or or like hear someone else's

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perspective on stuff like that

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yeah it's almost like they're looking

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for that dopamine dump to to

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comment in the comment section like one

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phrase like

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if you're not mad you're not paying

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attention like that's just this

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self self uh it's like you know

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everybody's looking for the mic

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drop but everybody everybody keeps

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repeating the same [\h__\h] thing

562
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,640
so how can we all be mic dropping if

563
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,160
we're all repeating the same

564
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:31,200
[\h__\h] and it's like i see people like you

565
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:32,160
know i see people

566
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,600
say something you know like there will

567
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,200
be a meme and

568
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:37,120
it'll you'll read it and you'll be like

569
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,400
yeah that's a pretty good point

570
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,400
and then you'll see somebody type it out

571
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,760
like on their facebook

572
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,200
and you're like [\h__\h] you stole that

573
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,960
from a meme you didn't even come up with

574
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:46,720
that you're just looking for a mic drop

575
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:47,120
that

576
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,799
i mean i i love memes and i love humor

577
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:54,240
and [\h__\h] but i know the difference

578
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:55,520
between you know like

579
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:58,480
butt is a joke and what is you know a

580
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:59,760
serious attack and stuff like that

581
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:00,880
whatever what's going on

582
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:03,440
is people they're they're using these

583
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:04,160
sort of like

584
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:09,039
weaponizing identity and victimhood to

585
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,160
attack people

586
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:12,559
and to use that as a shield to shield

587
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:14,080
themselves from criticism

588
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,679
when it's like hey maybe you need to

589
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,840
take a a harder closer look at this and

590
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:19,440
it's like no i can't do that

591
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,120
because you know acknowledging anything

592
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:22,799
is like it's like submissively

593
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:25,360
subjecting my identity and i'm sort of

594
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,960
like you know surrendering and i'm not

595
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:28,880
going to surrender i want to win

596
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,480
and and i guess that's just sort of a

597
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:32,240
it's it's sort of a sad thing so

598
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,919
whenever i see like people that actually

599
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:34,640
do

600
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,280
you know somewhat hold a higher level of

601
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,360
you know journalistic integrity

602
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,880
like like someone that we both mutually

603
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:42,559
knew ryan sprague

604
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:44,000
yeah i probably mispronounced his name

605
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,280
i'm gonna i'm gonna see how many

606
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,720
different times i can mispronounce his

607
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,000
name

608
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:50,480
we've done the same thing i think it's

609
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:51,039
spread

610
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:54,720
you'll throw in an a on accident it's

611
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,549
because yeah it's it's spelt like frog

612
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,160
with an s i mean if

613
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:05,520
according to the the google algorithms

614
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,840
myself and ryan sprague shouldn't even

615
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,760
have a conversation we should

616
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,280
we should like stab each other in the

617
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,799
neck because our political

618
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,880
leanings are so extremely different but

619
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,559
what i like that he does is he doesn't

620
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:17,760
let his

621
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,320
um personal uh political beliefs

622
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,480
influence in what he does as far as

623
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:24,960
you know the ufo stuff yeah right he

624
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,919
still holds that

625
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,160
sort of high standard and and because of

626
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:30,240
that i respect him i i definitely highly

627
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:31,200
respect him with that

628
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,640
yeah he's great yeah on his on his

629
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,080
personal twitter of course on his

630
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,440
personal stuff you know he's still you

631
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:39,919
know like ah joe biden he's a bernie bro

632
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,400
and all this stuff

633
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,080
i don't have a problem with that you

634
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,160
know but again but because the

635
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:48,559
algorithms are so you know about

636
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,520
whatever it is

637
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,039
on the political union especially the

638
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,520
politics you know yeah we shouldn't even

639
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,679
have a conversation

640
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,840
you know uh the the default is that we

641
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,960
should attack each other

642
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,880
right right but because he he still

643
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:02,480
holds out that because he's willing to

644
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,520
have a conversation

645
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,000
with me about subjects that don't relate

646
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,919
to either of our politics because of

647
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:09,280
that i'll always have an ounce of

648
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,640
respect for him

649
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,960
um you know and and the thing is like

650
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,880
the people in his circle

651
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,400
when i when i reach out to them they all

652
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,320
have me blocked on their social media

653
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,760
and stuff like that and i'm like you

654
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,760
know like i haven't even i haven't even

655
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,720
said anything

656
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,360
else guys they all got me blocked on

657
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:26,799
stuff and it's probably because either

658
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,200
one

659
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,600
you know i mean i do post the sort of

660
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,200
trump stuff you know but i'm

661
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,880
not like that adamant about it i'm not

662
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,400
like totally in love with it yeah

663
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,159
but it's just it's just food for thought

664
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,159
if someone has a difference of opinion

665
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,760
you know that's fine i don't mind people

666
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,200
having that opinion

667
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,720
there's been so many times on facebook

668
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,720
where i've had to say to people like hey

669
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,559
i'm not saying you can't hate this

670
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,159
person you know

671
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,840
yeah totally saying that to someone it's

672
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,600
like i'm not saying you can't you can't

673
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,440
hate this person or not like this person

674
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,720
or criticize them

675
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,080
what i'm saying is you know it's like

676
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,760
can we think about what's actually

677
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,679
going on here can we can we like take a

678
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,280
look at some stuff and digest it a

679
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:02,559
little bit right

680
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,320
i remember when oh sorry go ahead yeah

681
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:09,120
i remember when it was uh i think it was

682
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,520
um

683
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,240
the the the lady that's accused of the

684
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:13,760
witch doctor that uh

685
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:16,960
sex with demons meme came up oh you know

686
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,360
and

687
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,480
woman uh

688
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,799
i think her name is uh dr emmanuel yeah

689
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,080
anyway she seemed

690
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,760
pretty badass i mean all that stuff that

691
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,679
came out like i don't know it's just

692
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,840
beyond the point like wait are you are

693
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,280
you are you attacking

694
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,320
a woman of color that's an immigrant

695
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,240
with a differing religious opinion than

696
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,360
you that's

697
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:40,400
that's not cool right my main

698
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,159
issue is that you know i mean a lot of

699
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,200
a lot of uh paranormal podcasters were

700
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:49,840
were attacking her on the grounds of you

701
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,320
know

702
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,320
that she believes that that people get

703
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,240
ill from having sex with demons

704
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,000
and i'm like you're going into the

705
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,000
forest looking for paranormal

706
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,880
bigfoot you're doing all this weird [\h__\h]

707
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,480
this is someone that would they would

708
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,039
that if they weren't uh attached to

709
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,200
politics they would be on your show

710
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
you know and and it's that sort of you

711
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,960
know that sort of uh

712
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,480
that that sort of uh conflict of

713
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,240
interest it's like how could you

714
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,880
lash out at someone for that when you're

715
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,120
doing something you know just as equally

716
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:21,360
ridic it's like coffee pot meat tea

717
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,159
kettle yeah

718
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,799
exactly that's what it's on the thing

719
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,520
and again

720
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,440
i'm not saying you can't have your own

721
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,440
political stance i'm not saying that

722
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,200
what i'm saying is you know the grounds

723
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,440
there are so many other things that she

724
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,080
could be criticized on that have nothing

725
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,600
to do with paranormal

726
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,159
anything yeah that it's like the it's

727
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,520
like i think it was one of the

728
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,120
republican guys he um he wrote

729
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,480
um bigfoot erotica

730
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,720
you know and and and that was sort of

731
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,919
one of the things that they tried to

732
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,000
take him down with and i'm like you know

733
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,360
it's like yeah that's got nothing to do

734
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,039
with his political stat it's funny

735
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,200
yeah it's funny i mean it's [\h__\h]

736
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,400
funny yeah

737
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,880
i love jokes and stuff but you know

738
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:03,600
that's not

739
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,480
criticism

740
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,720
yeah and and when i when i try to like

741
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,159
ask these people about it you know of

742
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,919
course i get the usual you know like

743
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,480
well here's here's a clickbait article

744
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,880
this is my argument or or i get called a

745
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:22,720
racist or something or whatever

746
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,240
it's a default go-to i i have a question

747
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,600
i have a question for actually both of

748
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,360
you guys but like okay so

749
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,960
this might be taking in a different turn

750
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:33,200
but uh or a different direction but what

751
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,760
do you

752
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,600
just think about the idea between ufos

753
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,120
the alien cryptid

754
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,039
topic it used to be kind of insulated

755
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:41,279
where it really wasn't politicized but

756
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,240
now

757
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,159
after ttsa and all that comes out and

758
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,600
then the the pentagon

759
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,760
has just most recently taken those the

760
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,120
same videos that

761
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,360
that were released a while ago not by

762
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,679
ttsa as we both know but or we all know

763
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:56,799
but it now it's become a politicized

764
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,080
um subject the alien thing you know the

765
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,600
ufo thing the uap

766
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,679
thing what do you guys think about that

767
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:05,200
like politics

768
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,960
encroaching on our beloved subject that

769
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,600
like before 2017 to me i mean maybe i'm

770
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,039
wrong but has it ever been

771
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,000
this politicized ever like in europe in

772
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,440
y'all's opinion or

773
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,200
i mean i don't think i don't think it

774
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,720
has been i mean most of the time they

775
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,720
just ignored the subject the whole time

776
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,400
yeah you know now that it's out it's

777
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,559
like it is kind of becoming a little

778
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,200
politicized and you're like

779
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,000
all right like why like why are we gonna

780
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,520
do this like whatever this

781
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,159
is like and i'm just speculating right

782
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:37,760
i'm just speculating here but

783
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,640
whatever this is is probably way beyond

784
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,720
the comprehension of like our measly

785
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:44,240
like government you know what i'm saying

786
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,799
like it's

787
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,640
it's it's something that i don't feel

788
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,840
like you can

789
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:50,320
politicize because we don't really know

790
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
anything about it

791
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,120
i feel like our culture's gonna find a

792
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,799
way to politicize it though yeah they're

793
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,240
gonna find a way to politicize it and

794
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,760
turn it into some religion

795
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,520
yeah like all kinds of weird [\h__\h] you're

796
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,039
like well these are just like

797
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,200
these are aliens you don't know anything

798
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:05,120
about them they're not democratic or

799
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,240
republic they're not

800
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,640
yeah what do you think chris have you

801
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,559
been noticing anything like that

802
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,480
i as far as the recent stuff that's been

803
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
coming out all i've seen is just you

804
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,080
know the headlines of announcements

805
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,400
i haven't been digging that much into it

806
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,080
i mean my my main interest

807
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:22,000
isn't so much the ufos and the crafts

808
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,279
and stuff it's more the

809
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,440
the personal experiences yeah yeah and

810
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:27,039
the accounts that people have you know

811
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,600
with

812
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,279
entities and stuff like that that that's

813
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,799
my bread and butter

814
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,880
but as far as the ufo stuff like that

815
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,000
i'm not quite

816
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:36,159
that deep into it to notice any politics

817
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,279
i do notice that

818
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,480
you know while we're in the middle of

819
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,159
the pandemic this is when they decide

820
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,080
like oh let's drop these details yeah

821
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,919
and pretend it's nothing

822
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,559
yeah and and you know in the middle of

823
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,159
the python we'll well it gets

824
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,480
lost in the details of everything else i

825
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,679
mean and it's just one

826
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,200
of those things that just happens like

827
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,360
the very root bombing yeah you know well

828
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,200
that that was getting all the press what

829
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,880
wasn't getting the press was the

830
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,360
the anti-pedophile march on hollywood

831
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,400
yeah yes sir

832
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,240
paying attention to that no one even

833
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:06,080
talks about it the only way i know about

834
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,120
it is because

835
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,760
sam tripoli talked about it on a show

836
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,600
and and some and i think it's like dick

837
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,200
masterson's of of

838
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,440
the dick show he talked about it as well

839
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,640
i i believe he did

840
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,400
and it's like and it's this thing that

841
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,679
all these other people that are talking

842
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,480
about these these

843
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,320
these things is going on but we're all

844
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,480
like looking over here at the big shiny

845
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,360
explosion

846
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,279
right and literally and i'm not saying

847
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,799
that you know that that

848
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,240
i mean yeah it's terrible what happened

849
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:32,400
up there but from what sounds like it

850
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,039
you know

851
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,840
i mean incompetence is sort of the the

852
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,159
breeding ground for conspiracy

853
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,080
in that you know because there are so

854
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,440
many different layers of

855
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,679
of stuff that went wrong for that to

856
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,120
happen yeah

857
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,400
it's so hard for us to not you know say

858
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:50,400
like well maybe it was on purpose type

859
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,360
of thing to just

860
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,840
speculate on that yeah yeah definitely

861
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,640
man and i think you know

862
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,000
you know when it comes to stuff like

863
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,919
that you're never going to know the

864
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,720
truth

865
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,640
you know i mean and and it's kind of

866
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,880
it's i mean do you blame people for

867
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,760
for speculating sometimes you know i

868
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,640
mean

869
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,960
with the you know the government track

870
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,000
record of like

871
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,159
not always being the most honest in the

872
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,679
world you know it's like

873
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,919
you kind of leave yourself open for

874
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,480
conspiracy theorists and speculation

875
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,600
you know well one of the one of the the

876
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,000
tenets of journalism is you always state

877
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,640
your your bias or something like that is

878
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,399
that if you have a bias and so long as

879
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,399
you're up front of it with it you know

880
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,720
then you can somewhat you know still

881
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,200
have an objective stance on something

882
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,760
it's just that with with this with the

883
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,600
speculation that's just our opinions

884
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,200
you know that's just what we what we

885
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,960
think we're just openly speculating

886
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
it's not fact right we're all willing to

887
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,840
you know look at the actual facts and

888
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,520
stuff provided it comes from a credible

889
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,480
source

890
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,000
now that's another thing that's been

891
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:56,000
muddied up with the fall of journalism

892
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,720
is that

893
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,960
none of the sources are credible anymore

894
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,559
right i mean all these we go to

895
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,000
mainstream media and it turns out

896
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,320
they've been lying to us for years

897
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,399
i mean they've been misconstruing stuff

898
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,000
like this and just now

899
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,520
you know regular people are starting to

900
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,440
fight back uh just look at the

901
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,120
like what is it that that uh that

902
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,960
lawsuit sandman um

903
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,000
the kid the covington kid who who you

904
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:20,159
know he smirked at the native american

905
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:20,720
oh yeah

906
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,200
yeah yeah yeah oh he just destroyed cnn

907
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,120
all the people that were like you know

908
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,279
oh don't criticize david hogg

909
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,799
the 23 year old looking 16 year old boy

910
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,799
because he is a child but oh man i can't

911
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,320
wait to punch that kevin

912
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,320
covington kid yeah he's got such a

913
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:40,000
punchable face you know it's like uh

914
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,720
it's like

915
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,320
yeah do you see where you're you know

916
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,000
you're kind of like you know you're kind

917
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,000
of conflicting your own point there

918
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,679
yeah but it's sort of the thing is is

919
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,440
that this guy i mean this guy at the

920
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,360
time he was an absolute child yeah he

921
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,360
was brought into a political thing

922
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,120
he reacted the best he could but there

923
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,360
was like a huge smear campaign against

924
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,880
him he was doxed he

925
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
had harassment you know and all that

926
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,640
stuff and and you know he went to

927
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,799
to he sued the mainstream i believe it

928
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,840
was cnn

929
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,880
yeah and he won you know and that's just

930
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,559
that that should just show that you know

931
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,000
i mean that's just someone

932
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:14,720
who could take a stand yeah all of the

933
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,120
people

934
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,480
who couldn't like i think it was the

935
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:19,200
benghazi when when uh benghazi when they

936
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,000
said

937
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,880
you know um the reason that there was an

938
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:24,720
upheaval was because of this youtube

939
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,200
video

940
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,440
yeah about the the twin towers or

941
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,120
something of that nature that guy he

942
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,880
lives in a homeless shelter at last i

943
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,600
heard

944
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:34,240
he was absolutely destroyed and the

945
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,720
thing is

946
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,200
only only so many people can fight back

947
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:38,799
you know i mean don't take my word on it

948
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,120
look

949
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,880
it up that's just something i heard yeah

950
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,240
i don't know for sure

951
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,440
but the thing is is that because of this

952
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,840
this dichotomy of it's sort of like it

953
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,640
shouldn't be us

954
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,240
versus the mainstream media they're

955
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,760
supposed to be working for us and i

956
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,720
think a lot of it

957
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:55,279
of what's going on right now is that the

958
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,320
mainstream media

959
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:59,039
is sort of struggling for relevancy you

960
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,600
know because

961
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,200
everything is clickbait and what are

962
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,360
clicks now clicks are the new currency

963
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,760
yeah as far as social media goes that's

964
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,600
the new sales because they

965
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,399
no one's watching um no one's watching

966
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,960
network television anymore because

967
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,159
you know we just want to watch our shows

968
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,760
on netflix we just want to stream on

969
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:17,120
netflix i mean just look what happened

970
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,080
to youtube

971
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,760
they have like two three rows of

972
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,600
mainstream stuff and what what what do

973
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,120
we do we skip that to get to our

974
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,559
subscription

975
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,720
yeah i don't i don't look at any of that

976
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,159
[\h__\h] no they put it up

977
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,880
they pretty much rehash their policies

978
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,760
and stuff like that

979
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,039
just to have their stuff on the front

980
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,960
and no one else none of the other shows

981
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,559
could talk about news

982
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,120
i mean even even speculate on it i mean

983
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,159
and what happens

984
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,520
is that we get caught on the crossfires

985
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,360
there was this one show called dogman

986
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,679
encounters where one of the guys there

987
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,640
he constantly gets his youtube feed

988
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,520
taken down

989
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,760
all he talks about is dog man that's it

990
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,559
you know dog

991
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,559
bigfoot investigation stuff like that

992
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,840
really cool [\h__\h] that's all he talks

993
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,240
about

994
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,320
he gets taken down for political stuff

995
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,799
because somehow his show gets caught up

996
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,480
in the political algorithms

997
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,159
what you know i mean so many times

998
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,799
whenever youtube does a rehash

999
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,440
you know trying to squash anything

1000
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,720
anything that just

1001
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,480
is strictly to do with politics you know

1002
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,720
we get taken down i think shannon legrow

1003
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,600
her show

1004
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,840
she had to fight it a few times she gets

1005
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,519
taken down on on facebook and stuff like

1006
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:22,640
that because of

1007
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,919
you know algorithm [\h__\h] wow

1008
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,039
that's weird i mean my own show page

1009
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,200
for for inspired theory the facebook

1010
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,720
page you know not the group but the

1011
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,519
regular facebook page it got taken down

1012
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,679
i can't even access it but somehow it's

1013
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,600
still connected to my group

1014
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,120
but that's the only reason that it's up

1015
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,640
is because it and i've written to

1016
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,159
facebook several times and you know i

1017
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,320
don't get any response they just they

1018
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,399
do the you know it's just it's one of

1019
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,760
those things that you know

1020
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,760
i'm not big enough to make a dent yeah

1021
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,240
it's [\h__\h] it's hitting all of us

1022
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,000
yeah man i mean we've we've had an

1023
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,600
episode getting take

1024
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:00,399
get got that got taken off of uh off off

1025
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,360
of youtube

1026
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,799
and it was like it didn't follow our

1027
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,600
community

1028
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,919
uh guideline standards and it was like

1029
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:10,159
but we didn't talk about any names or

1030
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,720
anything

1031
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,679
you know it was like why why it's it's

1032
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,399
because of it

1033
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,399
it was it was it was uh fetzer it was

1034
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,000
the guest yeah

1035
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:20,320
he's got he's probably got like a bunch

1036
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,200
of

1037
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,440
people that are being paid by some

1038
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,039
organization that kind of

1039
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,600
looks for his filter her or his name and

1040
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,200
sees any content on youtube and like

1041
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,559
reports

1042
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,000
because it was reported for hate speech

1043
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,360
yeah because he even had his books and

1044
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,240
stuff taken out of

1045
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,320
amazon and all kinds of [\h__\h] was banned

1046
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,559
like he like wrote a book on on

1047
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,159
how he thought maybe the moon landing

1048
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:41,519
was fake and they were like amazon was

1049
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,080
like

1050
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,559
nope we're not putting that on here it's

1051
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:45,919
like wait a second

1052
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:49,440
it's the person not the content yeah i

1053
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:49,760
love

1054
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,840
the [\h__\h] out of moon [\h__\h] i don't care

1055
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,200
if the moon's hollow flat

1056
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,159
fake at all yeah i want to hear that

1057
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,840
[\h__\h] because it entertains me you

1058
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,120
know i mean i mean if if

1059
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,320
it's one of those things that it's like

1060
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,480
i can't make an argument against it so

1061
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,240
i'm just going to complain that it's

1062
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,000
offensive and have it taken down

1063
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,399
yeah yeah that's what's going on it's

1064
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:16,080
over here these people like removing

1065
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,960
them

1066
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,640
and then they'll they'll tell the people

1067
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,919
you know that are being well just make

1068
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,120
your own monopoly

1069
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,360
and the thing is they try they do try to

1070
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,880
make their own platforms they do try to

1071
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,240
make their own monopolies

1072
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,440
but what happens is they get the they go

1073
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,600
then they go to the banks so now they

1074
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,919
can't even process you know um

1075
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,360
you know payment processing so they

1076
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,880
can't how are they supposed to build a

1077
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,960
platform without any capital without any

1078
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,480
bank supporting them

1079
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,320
and i think that's what happened to dick

1080
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,840
masters and he had this

1081
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,840
uh thing called uh project two where he

1082
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,960
was gonna fund

1083
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,720
all the people that got kicked off of

1084
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,159
patreon and

1085
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,080
got kicked off of this and that and he

1086
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,600
was going to take them all in he says i

1087
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,039
don't give a [\h__\h] what you say just

1088
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,559
don't do anything illegal

1089
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,919
and i'll make sure you get funny well

1090
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,840
his bank got pulled out from under him

1091
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:02,320
wow that's absolutely [\h__\h] and it's

1092
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,880
just

1093
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,000
so okay i maybe i got i got lost

1094
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,159
but is this are you are we saying that

1095
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:09,679
these people are getting their content

1096
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,079
pulled

1097
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,159
because of political statements that

1098
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,280
they've made or

1099
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,560
is it just false information or or

1100
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,320
you know quote unquote false information

1101
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,720
because that's scary man like

1102
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:23,520
when did the when did content become so

1103
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
policed that

1104
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,879
we can't just talk about something fun

1105
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:27,599
man

1106
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,119
like that's so ridiculous

1107
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,200
i don't know how to best explain it but

1108
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,760
anything that happens to david ike

1109
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,919
is pretty much the thing he says or does

1110
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,359
anything on any kind of platform he's

1111
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,480
taken off

1112
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,720
now i i think the dude's crazy you know

1113
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,760
i mean i

1114
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:45,200
but i still want to hear his [\h__\h]

1115
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:46,839
because i think it's fun

1116
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,079
absolutely the same way

1117
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,679
you know and i don't care you know i

1118
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:53,440
still believe he has he should have a

1119
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,399
say

1120
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,200
but the thing is is it it's more of i i

1121
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,320
don't know either

1122
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,680
the higher ups or the whoever is in

1123
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:02,880
charge

1124
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,240
anymore it's like

1125
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,280
there's no way to appeal it it's like

1126
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,920
the what what everyone is afraid of is

1127
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:13,040
you know they're they're afraid of you

1128
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,400
know the twitter mob

1129
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,320
they're afraid of you know trending

1130
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,400
badly that's what they're afraid of

1131
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,800
yeah because and the thing is most of

1132
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:22,079
these guys they're not going to stand up

1133
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,119
on it

1134
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,200
because they're in the same camp you

1135
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,880
know they they're in that same camp of

1136
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,640
well we don't like these people

1137
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:30,880
because they say mean things it's like

1138
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,000
well that's not

1139
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,800
it's not so long as they're not breaking

1140
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,520
the law

1141
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,880
they could say as mean things as they

1142
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:39,599
want to yeah i mean you can choose not

1143
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,160
to

1144
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,680
nothing wrong with

1145
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,040
i don't think there's anything wrong

1146
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,720
with an r rating or or

1147
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,079
a split expert of you know tag on stuff

1148
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,680
you know i mean i have nothing wrong

1149
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,200
with restriction it's just

1150
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,119
you know this is probably me being an

1151
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,880
artist dork but when it comes to like

1152
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,480
flat out censorship

1153
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,160
and people are actually moving the

1154
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:02,320
goalposts by you know saying well the

1155
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,880
government

1156
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,119
isn't your first amendment rights aren't

1157
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,800
being violated because the government

1158
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,200
isn't pulling your your content it's

1159
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,560
private companies

1160
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,240
interesting just look at look at all

1161
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,920
this stuff now everything is being done

1162
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:14,640
through

1163
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,079
instead of the town square is now just a

1164
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,560
corporate oligarchy yeah i mean that

1165
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,599
those are the guys who

1166
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,800
that's where the public square goes now

1167
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,920
yeah man i mean but it's also like

1168
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,400
it's not the government per se but

1169
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,119
whenever

1170
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,920
these companies are allowed to just

1171
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:35,599
completely monopolize

1172
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,960
the entire market and it's

1173
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,839
okay you know it it is hard like you

1174
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,280
were saying like for other people to

1175
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,040
start other platforms or

1176
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,880
or you know help get funding you know

1177
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,119
that's that's coming from somewhere yes

1178
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,119
these are private companies but

1179
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,240
they also donate big big bucks to

1180
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,599
you know to the government yeah

1181
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,480
so they have favoritism it's it's it's

1182
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,920
that's the difference in

1183
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,400
capitalism and corporatism that's the

1184
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,599
system we have

1185
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,280
yeah their hands are in everybody's

1186
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,359
pockets yeah exactly

1187
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,200
and and because of that you know it's

1188
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,119
like i mean they we

1189
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:15,359
every like every year or so we have like

1190
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,320
all the big tech

1191
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,920
capitol hill and they

1192
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,480
and basically we have these boomer you

1193
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,480
know politicians saying you know are you

1194
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,880
censoring you know right-wing content

1195
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,200
and they say no no we're not and then

1196
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,880
because the the guys asking the

1197
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,960
questions don't know anything about

1198
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,760
the internet they go okay i guess well

1199
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,000
we

1200
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:38,640
tried yeah you know and and that's and

1201
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,200
that's it

1202
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,520
and and it's just it's just it's just a

1203
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,960
it's a farce

1204
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,839
and it's just one of those things that's

1205
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:47,440
just so difficult to deal with you know

1206
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,240
and

1207
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,599
private company they should be able to

1208
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,200
do whatever they want

1209
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:56,000
but it's only when i agree with it

1210
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,960
exactly that

1211
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:59,599
that it's i mean because if like right

1212
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,400
now um

1213
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,640
all the companies are making everybody

1214
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,000
wear masks to go into

1215
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,520
their stores whether you agree with it

1216
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,520
or not and you know i don't i don't care

1217
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:09,200
what your stance is on the masts are but

1218
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:10,160
the thing is

1219
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,280
i mean they're doing that they're

1220
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,640
they're a private company they should be

1221
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:14,240
allowed to do that like well if you're

1222
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:15,119
saying that

1223
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,480
then if they're they're a private

1224
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:17,760
company they can do whatever they want

1225
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:18,480
then they

1226
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,400
can't serve you know make

1227
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,320
gay cakes if they want or not but the

1228
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:26,240
guy who did that he got he got sued into

1229
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,880
oblivion

1230
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:29,200
right yeah and he's like you know tied

1231
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,920
up in

1232
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,160
in litigation so you know i mean that

1233
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,760
guy is pretty much gone

1234
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,000
yeah and and it's like well do the

1235
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,680
private businesses get to run

1236
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,839
do whatever they want or not and and of

1237
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,359
course we all know that the only reason

1238
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,520
that the bigger companies are doing this

1239
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,960
is because they don't want to get sued

1240
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,240
that's what it's all about like i don't

1241
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,000
want to get sued yeah if someone gets

1242
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,280
coveted in our stores

1243
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,040
you know so we're just putting this down

1244
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,480
to right you know

1245
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,200
to absolve ourselves of any blame and i

1246
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,119
get that you know but the thing is only

1247
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,560
the bigger companies

1248
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,240
somehow the government has decided that

1249
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,000
only the bigger companies

1250
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,720
can hold that standard right right yeah

1251
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,839
the rest of us are

1252
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:08,000
we can't do it because we're too dumb or

1253
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,880
whatever it is

1254
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,200
yeah it's so it's such [\h__\h] the

1255
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,640
whole the whole thing is [\h__\h]

1256
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,000
yeah you're exactly right there's no

1257
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,400
reason that like it's it's crazy because

1258
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,680
you when you think about it dude it's

1259
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,280
like all this stuff happened

1260
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,119
and then they shut down all the small

1261
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,200
people and like loads and home depot

1262
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,720
became the local watering hole for

1263
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,480
everybody in your [\h__\h] city

1264
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,640
and it was like all right so instead of

1265
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,400
like having everything open where we

1266
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,119
could kind of

1267
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,440
space out and go to different areas

1268
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,200
you're gonna close everything and force

1269
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,440
everybody in the city to go to like five

1270
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,640
different stores

1271
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,079
it's it's [\h__\h] it's stupid it

1272
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,160
doesn't make any sense

1273
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,920
and there's nothing wrong with with

1274
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,599
having these smaller stores you know

1275
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,720
hold that standard

1276
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,160
there's nothing wrong with that they can

1277
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,320
do it but they

1278
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,480
better someone has already decided for

1279
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,440
them

1280
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,079
that no you can't that's why these gems

1281
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,400
are being shut down and stuff like that

1282
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,720
it's just a lot of crap you know yeah

1283
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,760
dude yeah i

1284
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,760
totally feel that man some weird [\h__\h]

1285
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,280
going on i mean i'll say one last thing

1286
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,720
about censorship

1287
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,680
on facebook we had a listener chris i'm

1288
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:10,800
sure you probably saw it because you're

1289
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,119
in the

1290
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,480
the podcast group but someone's always

1291
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:17,599
trolling in there i love it dude love it

1292
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,160
but uh

1293
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,400
somebody posted about the this this

1294
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,000
scientist quote-unquote scientist that

1295
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,839
turned this chicken egg into a

1296
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,960
tyrannosaurus rex embryo and we got

1297
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,720
flagged and we got all these

1298
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,400
notifications like hey

1299
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,400
if you this happens so and so more times

1300
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,000
like we're gonna have to ban your

1301
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,599
your group because it's false

1302
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,760
information we had a third party source

1303
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,000
come

1304
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,079
in and and prove that this article is

1305
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,520
false information

1306
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,480
like that is that really got under my

1307
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,040
skin

1308
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,839
yeah as like dude are you are we okay

1309
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,960
again i'll go back to my

1310
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,000
initial point was that we i love this

1311
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,040
this this topic is because most of it is

1312
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,200
stories there's not a whole bunch of

1313
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,520
video evidence it's all i want to hear

1314
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,640
like you chris i want to hear the

1315
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,079
person's story

1316
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,960
99 speculation yeah and that's what i

1317
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,000
love about it like i don't

1318
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,920
care if i if you can prove it i want to

1319
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,760
hear the story because i love it

1320
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,440
but then you it we're we're getting into

1321
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,119
this weird gray area on

1322
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,119
on just specifically the platform's

1323
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,640
facebook that

1324
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,640
yeah you can't just post an article and

1325
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,079
have the the consumer

1326
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:22,079
decide for themselves if it's [\h__\h]

1327
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,040
if you would have clicked on it and read

1328
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:24,480
the article you would have known right

1329
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,599
off the bat like

1330
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,680
okay well so they're not actually making

1331
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,440
a tyrannosaurus rex yeah

1332
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,920
it was a clickbait article man just like

1333
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:33,200
what we talked about in the beginning of

1334
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,079
this whole conversation

1335
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,720
like yeah it's a clickbait yeah but you

1336
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,800
should be able to make up your own

1337
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,800
choice yes you know yeah that's that's

1338
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,000
the bottom line really

1339
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,839
yeah yeah yeah that's that's being taken

1340
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,640
from us it really is man it really is

1341
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,480
but i mean i guess still kind of on

1342
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,560
topic but also shifting gears a little

1343
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,680
bit

1344
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,800
i'm doing the big rig shift so when

1345
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,440
we're talking

1346
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:58,160
i'm ready to move on yeah yeah when uh

1347
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,040
we're talking about

1348
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,000
evidence and stuff man you know i i feel

1349
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,200
like

1350
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,240
man this stuff has been going on

1351
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,680
for thousands of years that's why we

1352
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,520
have a lot of the story

1353
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,599
i mean you know thousands and thousands

1354
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,200
of years that's why we have this

1355
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,359
folklore and these stories and things

1356
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,800
like that that we do

1357
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,280
and you know we can chalk them off to oh

1358
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:23,119
well ancient people were just trying to

1359
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,680
describe

1360
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,440
something they didn't understand with

1361
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,119
science right

1362
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:29,599
now we consider ourselves to be pretty

1363
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,160
smart

1364
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,520
even though in the grand scheme of

1365
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,359
things we're still pretty dumb as a

1366
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,560
human species

1367
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,640
but i mean you know we would know

1368
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,560
physics and math and all this other

1369
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,520
stuff

1370
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,960
do you think that there is a you know uh

1371
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,520
my personal opinion is that you know

1372
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,680
there's a lot of stuff we can prove with

1373
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,400
science

1374
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,079
but when we're dealing with something

1375
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,680
like this uh

1376
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,839
in particular whether it be you know

1377
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,760
ghosts or ufos or

1378
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:59,040
or anything that's somewhat paranormal

1379
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,680
man

1380
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,800
i feel like that there is a uh

1381
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,359
maybe there's just something that

1382
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,839
science can't quite explain yet

1383
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,400
and i i feel like it's dangerous to to

1384
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:12,160
kind of write this stuff off

1385
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,280
you know what do you what are your

1386
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,359
opinions on that

1387
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,960
well i think the thing is is that we're

1388
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,560
looking for a pattern

1389
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,960
because if we see a pet we we're like

1390
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,800
we're comforted by patterns because it

1391
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,520
gives us the illusion of control

1392
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,160
so if right now it's the unknown and and

1393
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,839
we don't understand it that scares the

1394
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,720
[\h__\h] out of us

1395
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,319
right if we can develop a pattern then

1396
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,079
we think okay we believe that we

1397
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,280
understand it then

1398
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,319
yeah i mean i mean uh that's why that's

1399
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,599
why people you know

1400
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,599
they're people are probably more scared

1401
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,280
of a ghost than they are of a bear even

1402
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,119
though a bear is more likely to

1403
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,599
to rip your head off right that's a good

1404
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,240
point

1405
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,000
you unders you tell yourself you

1406
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,359
understand the bear

1407
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,040
because you know well it has these

1408
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,599
behaviors it has this environment

1409
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,680
you know i can keep myself safe majority

1410
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,800
of the time if i just

1411
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
stay away from it and not do this and

1412
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,800
that whereas the ghost you know it's

1413
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,560
coming out of nowhere i have no idea

1414
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,000
what the [\h__\h] is going on

1415
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,760
and i'm [\h__\h] you know even though as

1416
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,040
far as i know

1417
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,160
other than folklore other than folklore

1418
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,079
i mean no one has ever been killed by a

1419
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,790
and and it's just one of those things

1420
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:20,800
and i i think you know

1421
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:24,480
the the scientific uh pushback as far as

1422
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,040
you know

1423
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,560
i think most of that is mostly just

1424
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,960
academic because a lot of the people

1425
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,319
that are out there

1426
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,160
you know i mean they are applying the

1427
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,160
scientific method as far as gathering

1428
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,599
evidence and trying to do stuff actually

1429
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,720
doing stuff

1430
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,480
more science-y than the actual

1431
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:39,760
scientists

1432
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,280
but it's more of an academic uh barriers

1433
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,560
that are put up you know and then again

1434
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,319
that's more bureaucracy [\h__\h]

1435
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,720
right but the thing is the the people

1436
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,160
who are out there you know they're not

1437
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,760
they're not classically trained or

1438
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,200
formally trained or

1439
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,359
trained to the level that's going to

1440
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,960
satisfy you know whatever it is

1441
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,800
and that's never going to happen because

1442
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,480
again those goal

1443
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,319
posts are going to be moved because once

1444
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,000
someone does get all that training and

1445
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,319
stuff like that then they're gonna like

1446
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,839
well if you talk about this

1447
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,440
stuff or say anything about this you're

1448
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,280
discredited yeah well also

1449
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:14,720
the scientific method itself relies on

1450
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,319
a pattern it relies on consistent data

1451
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,760
that you know you can change you have

1452
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,079
your control and and

1453
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,079
the thing with this parent let's call it

1454
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,839
paranormal as a blanket just for a

1455
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,440
second like

1456
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:30,160
there is no pattern right i mean there's

1457
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,880
there's

1458
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,960
there there has probably been thousands

1459
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,480
of science you know quote-unquote

1460
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,079
scientific studies and

1461
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,400
and tests and things like that but at

1462
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:40,000
the end of the day that's why we don't

1463
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,400
have

1464
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,440
hardcore written evidence is because it

1465
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,119
just doesn't follow

1466
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
what we think of as a pattern like

1467
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,319
you're saying just yeah and

1468
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,240
and so much of this [\h__\h] can't be put on

1469
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,800
a box where it can be properly tested

1470
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,680
yeah right right yeah it's almost it's

1471
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,520
like it knows when you're trying to

1472
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,599
study it and it says oh well [\h__\h] you

1473
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:01,119
man i'm gonna do about i'm gonna yeah

1474
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:01,920
i'll see

1475
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,359
no no more if you got cameras no

1476
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,359
i'm not gonna show myself and as soon as

1477
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,960
that camera looks a different way then

1478
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:10,400
they make something move right behind

1479
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:10,880
you

1480
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,319
and yeah

1481
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,800
yeah it's very hard to catch this stuff

1482
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,760
off guard

1483
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,359
i mean most of the times you can but as

1484
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,800
far as catching it it's

1485
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,599
damn near and possible i remember one of

1486
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:25,440
my past interviews with timothy renner

1487
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,920
he

1488
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,960
experiences that we have

1489
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:31,599
from from what he's caught is that a lot

1490
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,240
of this stuff

1491
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,400
is people catching the phenomena be it

1492
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,000
ghosts or or whatever

1493
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,680
it's like we're catching it by surprise

1494
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:39,280
like we're spooking them as much as

1495
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,280
they're spooking up

1496
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,119
yeah and then i i immediately asked him

1497
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:44,800
it's like well if it can be caught off

1498
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,359
guard

1499
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,760
can it be captured and he immediately

1500
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,760
came up with a big loud no

1501
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,800
no way can it be captured and and i

1502
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,160
i really didn't know how to press

1503
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,720
further yeah wow that was just

1504
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,160
that was just the thing is that this

1505
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,079
stuff it's just it's it's

1506
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,800
very difficult to understand you know

1507
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,640
how to properly capture it what

1508
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,079
constitutes

1509
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,200
you know uh good evidence yeah i have

1510
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,319
i have a theory i've said this on the

1511
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,920
podcast a couple of times joe you've

1512
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,520
heard me say this but i have a feeling

1513
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,800
that the phenomenon

1514
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,720
uh instead of saying paranormal i like

1515
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,839
saying phenomenon i just couldn't think

1516
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:18,800
of the word but

1517
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,800
you know ufos aliens uh ghosts

1518
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:25,359
all things weird boom uh i think there's

1519
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:26,319
there's a

1520
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,319
energy that

1521
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,760
that uh that capturing it or wanting to

1522
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,720
recording like the

1523
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:37,359
intent of recording it through our

1524
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,000
brains

1525
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,559
or through a camera they can pick up on

1526
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,079
that and that's why

1527
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,359
they can avoid it so accurately uh

1528
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,280
and yeah catching it by surprise i feel

1529
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,520
like human intent alone without any kind

1530
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,119
of capturing device or a camera

1531
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,079
or a voice recording they can't pick up

1532
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,520
they they pick up that more than they

1533
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:57,119
can pick up our intent as a human

1534
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,839
because

1535
00:48:01,270 --> 00:48:00,000
maybe if you come into a situation where

1536
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,280
you go into a uh

1537
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,760
unwilling or unknowingly go into a hound

1538
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,440
a haunted house

1539
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,280
didn't and you don't know it's haunted

1540
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,359
that's why you're more likely to

1541
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,400
come in contact with a uh a ghost or

1542
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:14,240
something or maybe even if you know that

1543
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,720
there's

1544
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,200
uh haunting going on if you try to

1545
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,880
capture it with a camera like you're

1546
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,040
way less likely to see something than

1547
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,559
you are without a camera because maybe

1548
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:24,319
that wavelength is stronger when you do

1549
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,119
have

1550
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,280
uh an apparatus that can can record it

1551
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,839
yeah yeah they do have they do have

1552
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:33,200
something that they call that it's sort

1553
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,400
of the um

1554
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,800
that once once something is observed

1555
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,559
that changes the parameters

1556
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,280
of of it that like stuff knows that it's

1557
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,040
being observed they they've done they've

1558
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,240
proven that on a subatomic level that

1559
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,760
the particles actually do change when

1560
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,000
they

1561
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,440
are observed right yeah no it's sort of

1562
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,319
like some sort of

1563
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,640
theory or or law or something like that

1564
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,319
that is a thing

1565
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,480
is that once we throw out the intent or

1566
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,440
or we have the

1567
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:02,640
observational you know um fortitude to

1568
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:06,079
to capture the to satisfactorily capture

1569
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:06,720
it

1570
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,920
being observed

1571
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,720
right yeah it picks up on the intent so

1572
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,240
there there is something there

1573
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,839
yeah i think that was the uh the light

1574
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:17,280
experiment they were trying to figure

1575
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,839
out whether

1576
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,640
a light was a wave or a particle and

1577
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,079
when they observed it

1578
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,960
they noticed that it would do like it

1579
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,839
would act

1580
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:28,079
however they were in intending to

1581
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,119
observe it

1582
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,280
they were like oh i think it's a a wave

1583
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:32,800
and they were like oh it is acting as a

1584
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,280
wave

1585
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,040
they're like but i think it's a particle

1586
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,640
and then it acted as like a particle

1587
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:37,520
yeah

1588
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,200
know what you're saying

1589
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,319
it's split something split light uh

1590
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,640
something or other but yeah yeah no

1591
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,400
that's that's that's really interesting

1592
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,839
and it kind of

1593
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,760
it kind of uh i don't know i think it's

1594
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,359
kind of a a key

1595
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,760
to this whole thing uh just on a on a

1596
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:57,440
bigger scale that maybe we just don't

1597
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,079
understand

1598
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,599
yet you know i mean there's just there's

1599
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,680
just so much that you don't understand

1600
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,640
but i mean this

1601
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,960
the stuff is is awesome you know this

1602
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,559
stuff is like really interesting like me

1603
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,400
and bid always talk about how

1604
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,960
you know it's crazy that this kind of

1605
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,760
stuff doesn't

1606
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:14,720
interest more people you know like it's

1607
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,359
such a

1608
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,480
uh a topic that man

1609
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,200
like if they ever like if they ever

1610
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,720
crack the code and they're like

1611
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,880
look at this we figured this out

1612
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,000
everybody's gonna be

1613
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:29,680
like i told you yeah and it's like no no

1614
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,079
no

1615
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,079
you you didn't tell me and then they say

1616
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:34,240
did you did you see what kim kardashian

1617
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:34,640
did

1618
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,870
yeah well i mean it's so easy for people

1619
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,319
to go through their lives without

1620
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:45,280
any of this affecting them you know it's

1621
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,760
like the

1622
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,359
the flat earth stuff it's like yeah

1623
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,040
nobody knows

1624
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,200
nobody really cares because it doesn't

1625
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,640
affect their lives

1626
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,480
and and that's fine i i have no problem

1627
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:55,520
with that i have no problem with it

1628
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,079
being

1629
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,559
niche or whatever it is but those of us

1630
00:51:00,549 --> 00:51:00,079
that are that are really really into it

1631
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,559
you know

1632
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,599
i mean it's it's hard to let it go

1633
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,160
yeah oh yeah yeah i can't let it go man

1634
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,440
me and joe are i mean

1635
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,040
and chris you probably as well like we

1636
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,880
just have the curious minds

1637
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,800
i know i know for a fact we all three do

1638
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:14,160
and and the people listening to this

1639
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,880
right now

1640
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,599
definitely do uh i mean it's it's it's

1641
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,440
fun but it's also i feel like

1642
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,440
this sense of importance you know we

1643
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,960
joke around a lot you know we make fart

1644
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,880
jokes and [\h__\h] but like

1645
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,040
i just love talking about this stuff and

1646
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,480
man if we figure out something

1647
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,319
awesome great i mean do we have a

1648
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,520
podcast after that

1649
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,559
uh i don't know maybe not so maybe

1650
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:37,200
maybe maybe uh maybe it's good that we

1651
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,599
never

1652
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,520
figure it out or i don't know i just is

1653
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:41,280
is it more fun would it be more fun if

1654
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,079
we figured out

1655
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:44,400
exactly how it all works and would we be

1656
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,359
satisfied

1657
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,559
i don't know yeah i mean the thing is

1658
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,640
and we noticed that the phenomenon

1659
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,240
as far as we understand it is evolving

1660
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,760
you know with our technology and with

1661
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:58,000
everything you know it's it's like one

1662
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,319
of the

1663
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:01,440
the uh contacty

1664
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,480
um lore is that the

1665
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:07,119
how the aliens gain entry into people's

1666
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,760
bedrooms

1667
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,920
changes over the years yeah i mean

1668
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,880
before they

1669
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,240
you know the people they would see the

1670
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,800
craft out there and then they they would

1671
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,680
see the

1672
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,240
the aliens come up walking walk up to

1673
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,920
their windows and stuff like that

1674
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:21,280
and then they would see them peer into

1675
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,559
the windows and then crawling through

1676
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,160
the windows and now it's like

1677
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,240
they see them you know coming in through

1678
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,680
portals on the walls

1679
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,240
and now they just see them just manifest

1680
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,520
you know right at their

1681
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:34,160
at their bed at the foot of their bed

1682
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,119
yeah you know and

1683
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,880
and it's like and i'm wondering is is

1684
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,480
like i mean

1685
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,079
you know has it always been like that

1686
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,680
have they always done that and people

1687
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,599
just didn't know how to explain

1688
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,400
how this thing came into their room and

1689
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,839
and they're just filling in the blanks

1690
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,280
as they best understand it

1691
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,160
yeah or has or has you know the aliens

1692
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,920
whatever they are how's their

1693
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,839
technology been improving over the years

1694
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:57,119
it's like okay we don't have to crawl

1695
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,559
through windows anymore

1696
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,440
yeah like they enter in a new year and

1697
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:03,040
they're like looking at their budget and

1698
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,160
asking their general

1699
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,920
like hey so did you guys figure out like

1700
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:08,079
how to get through doors yet or are we

1701
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,559
good

1702
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,000
are we still doing the door the door

1703
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,760
handle thing how are we how are we doing

1704
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,880
on door handle technology

1705
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,480
yeah dude i mean you even hear stuff

1706
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,400
like uh you know that even like kind of

1707
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:20,000
cross-pollinates a little bit you know

1708
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,559
it's like

1709
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:23,200
i've even heard people say you know like

1710
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,839
you have to

1711
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,839
invite them in and it's like well that

1712
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,599
sounds like the vampire story

1713
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
you know like you have to invite it in

1714
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,040
for it to be able to you know

1715
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,720
come into your house and it's like whoa

1716
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,960
are we are we kind of like

1717
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:37,359
you know is it was uh maybe a vampire

1718
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,240
back in the day

1719
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,880
like were those aliens and we just

1720
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,480
thought that they were vampires because

1721
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:44,240
we didn't really know about aliens back

1722
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,040
then you know

1723
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:47,920
like i don't know yeah or somebody had

1724
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:48,319
an

1725
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,680
make it more grounded instead of aliens

1726
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:54,960
it's it's a human

1727
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:58,079
yeah and instead of uh you know taking

1728
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:58,480
our

1729
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:03,440
blood

1730
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,000
taking dna

1731
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,040
i'm taking your genetics yeah

1732
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,599
i think you did it i did it i figured it

1733
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,960
out

1734
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,000
yeah a lot a lot of the the core of the

1735
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,440
phenomenon and stuff all these different

1736
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,480
archetypes

1737
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,559
a lot of them you know i think tipped

1738
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,720
their hat at the

1739
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,119
paralysis phenomena and i'm not saying

1740
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,720
that's the the be-all answer for

1741
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,880
everything but i think a lot of that can

1742
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,839
explain

1743
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,200
a lot of because there's a lot of

1744
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,359
parallels like the the old hags the

1745
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,799
shadow people and stuff they come into

1746
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,160
your room when you're sleeping

1747
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,760
and you're frozen and you're stiff same

1748
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:41,359
thing with the alien same thing with the

1749
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,079
succubi

1750
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:44,240
same thing with them you know it's like

1751
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,440
a lot of them

1752
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,640
and i think that's a legitimate um

1753
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:51,200
account or or explanation for a lot of

1754
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,319
that phenomena

1755
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,160
and i think a lot of it birthed from

1756
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,839
that but you know that

1757
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,599
again that doesn't cover everything that

1758
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,520
doesn't cover when people are outside

1759
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:01,119
and they see shadow people moving among

1760
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,680
the trees

1761
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,280
yeah that doesn't count when people are

1762
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,359
like out there and you know or when

1763
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,599
people like you know see like a strange

1764
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,440
thing in the city they see like a kid

1765
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,040
with black eyes or stuff like that

1766
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:13,359
yeah it doesn't account for all that but

1767
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,160
i think a large

1768
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,119
deal of it is with sleep paralysis you

1769
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,480
know and i think that you know

1770
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,720
again i'm not saying that's everything

1771
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,720
but you know i mean i've had my own you

1772
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,240
know sleep paralysis episode

1773
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,760
i was gonna say you have a you have a

1774
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,240
pretty interesting uh sleep paralysis

1775
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:31,040
uh uh story would you mind going into

1776
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,400
that yeah do we wanna start looking at

1777
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,000
your illustrations now

1778
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,240
can i do a screen recording i want to

1779
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,920
hear about your sleep paralysis story

1780
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,799
though because they cracked me up

1781
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,280
so pretty much you know i mean when i

1782
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,720
was like you know

1783
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,400
i think ever since high school i've been

1784
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,599
studying you know uh paranormal stuff so

1785
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:52,160
i and i and then and when i got my own

1786
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,720
apartment

1787
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,160
when i was older and stuff like that you

1788
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:56,240
know i started having sleep paralysis

1789
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,280
episodes

1790
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,440
where you know and at the time i

1791
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,799
completely understood what sleep

1792
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,319
paralysis was but

1793
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,920
when i'm in the experience i'm still

1794
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,000
frozen i'm still you know stuck there

1795
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,720
and and i feel the fear wash over me and

1796
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,400
i understand okay this is just sleep

1797
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,359
paralysis

1798
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,280
i know what this is but the experience

1799
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,200
is still happening yeah

1800
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,960
and what i would have is what would

1801
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,400
happen is i'd be there i think i

1802
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,559
remember i had one during the daytime

1803
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,319
and i was just sleeping i was just

1804
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,480
laying on my bed and i my body was

1805
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,240
frozen and stiff

1806
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,960
and then and then you know i'm just

1807
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,720
looking with my eyes around and i can i

1808
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,000
can't move or anything and i feel the

1809
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,520
fear wash over me

1810
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,280
and what happens in my sleep process

1811
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,359
episode is is two people walk into my

1812
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,480
room

1813
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,079
they they walk in and they start

1814
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,599
rummaging through my stuff you know and

1815
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,240
they're looking

1816
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,880
to the to to me to see if i'm moving

1817
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:46,720
every now and then

1818
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:50,720
open up doors and closets

1819
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,920
where i had no doors or closets

1820
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,599
so that made no sense that sort of like

1821
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,359
a allison wonderland type of thing where

1822
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:58,799
they would like open a door where there

1823
00:57:02,549 --> 00:56:59,280
was

1824
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,559
no door on that wall and just and just

1825
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:04,079
look through stuff and and just go

1826
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,119
through stuff and every now and then

1827
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,040
peeking and looking at me

1828
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,720
you know making sure that i'm not moving

1829
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:10,079
or anything and then and then when i

1830
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,440
would start to get up you know then they

1831
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,720
would move out but the thing is what

1832
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,400
these people looked like

1833
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,480
is they weren't you know demons or

1834
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:19,040
aliens or succubies or monsters i would

1835
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,160
have loved to have

1836
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,040
any of that no instead they look like

1837
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:24,559
[\h__\h] white trash like

1838
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,599
white crash hill build people of walmart

1839
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,319
walmart it looked like they looked like

1840
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:34,319
you know misshapen people from walmart

1841
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,760
that they were just coming into my room

1842
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,760
and it happened to me twice

1843
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,920
and and you know and and i would get up

1844
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,440
and i would check all my locks all my

1845
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,440
alarms all my stuff you know everything

1846
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,880
was was secured

1847
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,319
there's no way that anyone could have

1848
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,000
gotten in and out but you know i

1849
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,839
understood that's the experience but

1850
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:51,440
when you get up from that you still have

1851
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:51,839
that

1852
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,680
happened yeah dude

1853
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,599
that's why i have a layer of empathy

1854
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,200
empathy for all these people that have

1855
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,799
these experiences like

1856
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,200
even though it may not have been real as

1857
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,319
they understand it

1858
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,440
or as we would understand as we would

1859
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,319
say it's not real by our standards

1860
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,319
it's still an experience and i respect

1861
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,000
the experience

1862
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,280
yeah absolutely oh man so

1863
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:19,040
that's i'm sorry to laugh but that's

1864
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,400
like really funny right like the

1865
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:22,799
the they like the fact that you prefer

1866
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,240
the alien or the demon over there

1867
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,760
the people of white it's so good i love

1868
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:30,880
that

1869
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,000
great illustration

1870
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,799
yeah totally i have i think i think i've

1871
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,359
done a couple but i need to like do more

1872
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,200
number one time where my apartment was

1873
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,880
like haunted for like two or three

1874
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,079
months when i just moved

1875
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,359
into it what i would do is is i would

1876
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:55,280
come in and i would just feel a presence

1877
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,200
in in in my apartment and and by the way

1878
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,000
more apartments are haunted than houses

1879
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:03,359
but the reason that we don't hear about

1880
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:04,720
the apartments is because there's no way

1881
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,359
to market that

1882
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,880
so you know just to give everybody a

1883
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,720
heads up yeah there are

1884
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:11,280
way more apartment haunted apartments

1885
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:11,760
than

1886
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,040
houses but so how old how old were you

1887
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:16,640
in this apartment that you experienced

1888
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,359
this stuff

1889
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,640
well this would have been like more

1890
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,720
recent like maybe six or seven years ago

1891
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,520
okay so i and every now and then i would

1892
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:25,280
catch a figure out of the corner of my

1893
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,680
eye

1894
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,799
like walking down the hallway

1895
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,880
it's basically like a black silhouette

1896
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,559
person like a little girl

1897
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,680
and her hair was all flailed out like

1898
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,520
like snakes you know

1899
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,119
but it was just regular hair just like

1900
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,559
it was flowing in the wind like she was

1901
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:42,079
under water or something

1902
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,760
and i would just see it for like a split

1903
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,359
second and i just feel the spread i

1904
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,280
never felt threatened by it

1905
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,520
but it's just a hard presence that i

1906
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,640
felt yeah

1907
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,280
and then you know and then one day you

1908
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,960
know i'm like i actually talk about it

1909
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,319
on facebook they're like yeah my

1910
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,079
apartment's haunted i felt this

1911
01:00:01,349 --> 01:00:00,559
and then i suddenly felt this emptiness

1912
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,359
you know just

1913
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,559
just hit like oh wait [\h__\h] i think it

1914
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,640
just left

1915
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,880
i laughed about it and then it decided

1916
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,760
to walk it was like

1917
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,319
screw this he's he's it's like i think

1918
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,359
what happened was the

1919
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,079
the ghost got so bored you know because

1920
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,680
all i do is watch anime

1921
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,839
and play xcom and play video games and

1922
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,200
[\h__\h] like that

1923
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,640
you know it's it's like there's nothing

1924
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:24,319
to do with me it's like oh

1925
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,520
crap she's like like

1926
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:29,599
poking you with a stick like do

1927
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,880
something he's not even scared

1928
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,640
it's like oh [\h__\h] great he's posting on

1929
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,720
facebook great i'm a meme now i'm the

1930
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,319
[\h__\h] out of here

1931
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:41,680
yes dude man you know i i've

1932
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:45,040
i've i've had uh

1933
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:49,119
just i you know maybe it's just the time

1934
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:49,440
of

1935
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,520
you know

1936
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,599
what i was watching on tv or whatever

1937
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,680
but when i was

1938
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,920
when i was younger this is kind of a

1939
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,000
funny thing when i was younger

1940
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:05,040
uh we lived in this house

1941
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,480
and man i would always get the weirdest

1942
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,799
like feeling like i always felt like

1943
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,680
something was like

1944
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,920
looking at me or like i could never walk

1945
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:15,359
down the hallway

1946
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,640
would always have to turn

1947
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:21,359
lights on and stuff like that uh and

1948
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,160
then uh

1949
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,440
it was like a at night and man

1950
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,760
i could have swore that there was

1951
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,000
something there i didn't see anything

1952
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,920
i didn't hear anything it was just this

1953
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,559
overwhelming sense of

1954
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,559
there's something here and so i start

1955
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,119
yelling i'm gonna kick your ass

1956
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,599
i'm gonna kick your ass and if my mom

1957
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,960
comes out and she's like who are you

1958
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,920
talking to

1959
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,559
like that and i was like oh i uh i don't

1960
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:48,319
know like i felt stupid i was like i

1961
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,359
couldn't say like

1962
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,280
i feel like there's a ghost here or you

1963
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,880
know whatever like i don't know

1964
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:55,520
but i was i was like i was genuinely

1965
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,400
terrified

1966
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:59,359
for whatever reason i have no idea yeah

1967
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,680
but

1968
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:01,280
yeah i don't know obviously i'm gonna

1969
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,789
i think the worst feeling for people is

1970
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,640
when they they have this experience they

1971
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:10,000
think it's just them

1972
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,599
and then when they finally open up and

1973
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:13,200
talk about it the other person who is

1974
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,079
there like says

1975
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,240
yeah i felt that too that has got to be

1976
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,000
the worst feeling ever

1977
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,760
is not just to talk about it you know

1978
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,359
and feel the embarrassment of oh

1979
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,280
cringe but to actually have someone

1980
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,359
confirm it yeah that's got to be

1981
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,920
that's got to be [\h__\h] like oh it's real

1982
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,480
now

1983
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:31,039
uh if two people have the same thing oh

1984
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:31,839
my gosh

1985
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:34,400
i'll say it's not just me it's confirmed

1986
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:34,880
right

1987
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:38,000
yeah exactly yeah so i'll well while

1988
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,960
we're on the topic of

1989
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:41,359
let's say shadow people right i mean you

1990
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:42,000
didn't say

1991
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,440
ghosts like the the the the white

1992
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,960
specter that people think of

1993
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,960
you know casper or anything i'm thinking

1994
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,720
what you saw chris is maybe a shadow

1995
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,400
person in joe maybe

1996
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:54,079
maybe it was too dark to see a shadow

1997
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,870
but like shadow people i've had one

1998
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,559
experience and it was uh

1999
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:05,119
at an ex my girlfriend at the time in

2000
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,240
high school i was

2001
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,400
their their house uh their neighborhood

2002
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:09,920
was supposedly built on

2003
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,720
in like native american territory oh

2004
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,079
that shit's definitely haunted did i

2005
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,599
tell you this already this story i think

2006
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:17,039
you've said it on

2007
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,640
i don't know i probably said it but but

2008
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:20,000
in case people haven't heard the story

2009
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:21,039
chris i don't know if you've

2010
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,400
heard the story but i mean it's real

2011
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,039
quick um i was i've never felt

2012
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:27,119
weird in this house ever but one time i

2013
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,160
was coming out of the bathroom and

2014
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,520
there's this hallway

2015
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,599
uh archway into the living room and i

2016
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:33,520
saw a person that was taller than me

2017
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,640
probably six five

2018
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,680
i'm six foot so it was it was a

2019
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,839
human figure that was black shadow and

2020
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:41,520
it was daylight and it just walked

2021
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:41,920
straight

2022
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:47,200
really cold and tingly and weird that

2023
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:50,079
the hairs on my neck like stood up and

2024
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,599
it just kind of like i

2025
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:53,039
looked because i was turning off the

2026
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,640
light and i looked

2027
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,079
so there wasn't like a contrast in

2028
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,839
between light and dark it was very light

2029
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,559
everywhere

2030
01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:00,960
it wasn't like you know the shock of

2031
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,599
turning on

2032
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,079
or off a light in a contrasting room

2033
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:05,520
everything was kind of the same lighting

2034
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,720
so there wasn't any i don't think there

2035
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,160
was any light tricks but

2036
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:11,200
saw a a figure that just walked through

2037
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,000
me and i felt really

2038
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:13,760
weird after that that was my only that's

2039
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:16,720
my that's my shadow figure story

2040
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,920
yeah pretty crazy yeah

2041
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,839
yeah i mean when you when you see that i

2042
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,839
think my mother

2043
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,440
she used to have the story before she

2044
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:27,200
passed was she would always tell us a

2045
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,079
story of seeing a person of light

2046
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,880
which was weird when we were young i

2047
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,119
think i was probably four years old and

2048
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,640
my brother was like eight

2049
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,319
and we would sleep in the same room and

2050
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,000
we have this l-shaped uh

2051
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,240
hallway and i think one day my mother

2052
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,760
got up and she just went to go get a

2053
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:45,200
drink of water or something she opened

2054
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,400
the door

2055
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:48,160
and she sees a figure standing outside

2056
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:50,079
of our our bedroom and it's made out of

2057
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,480
light

2058
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,559
wow and it's like it's she can only see

2059
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,559
it from the knees up

2060
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:57,200
and and and it's like like the the knees

2061
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,599
are like

2062
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,119
it's like when it gets to the knees the

2063
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,039
knees just fade off into nothing

2064
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,960
as far as she could best describe it and

2065
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,799
it's just this like i guess i figured

2066
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:07,200
just standing outside of our doorway

2067
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,520
and then of course she goes into shock

2068
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,359
i've seen you know someone someone there

2069
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,280
you know she jumps you know and then

2070
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,760
and then it just blinks out of existence

2071
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:17,280
so that was sort of a

2072
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,039
weird thing that's strange

2073
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:24,240
yeah the the light person uh so are you

2074
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:26,079
of of the thought or maybe what did you

2075
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:27,039
say it was your mother or your

2076
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,240
grandmother what

2077
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:30,480
mother mother so do you think did she

2078
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,359
ever say like oh

2079
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,520
it was an angel or was she like oh that

2080
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,440
was something else

2081
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,680
any any paranormal [\h__\h] that happened in

2082
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,599
our house my mom would immediately go to

2083
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,960
it's your guardian angel

2084
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,880
oh yeah i think that that was like a

2085
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:44,640
cope method to keep me from you know

2086
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:45,440
turning into

2087
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:49,039
what i am now yeah it worked my mom did

2088
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:50,400
the same thing

2089
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,960
dude yeah yeah and another phenomena

2090
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,559
that would happen is i'd have this

2091
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,599
clear audio phenomena where uh i would

2092
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,520
hear my mother's voice calling for help

2093
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,799
like in the other room and i would be

2094
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,559
sitting in my room drawing or doing

2095
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,640
something it's always when i'm drawing

2096
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,480
and this is when i'm when i'm like 15

2097
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,559
years old so i'm at the i'm at the

2098
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,559
the prime candidate for the what they

2099
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,400
call the poltergeist agent

2100
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,440
okay you're most likely to to experience

2101
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,760
or to be the the agent of poltergeist

2102
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,280
activity

2103
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,280
which is a young kid going through

2104
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:23,200
puberty and all that stuff that's when

2105
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,319
you have your most

2106
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,119
angst and often with most kids who would

2107
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,559
you would channel into poultry guys

2108
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,839
phenomena well with me

2109
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,359
i would hear my mother's voice asking

2110
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,280
for help and it wasn't like

2111
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,039
like she was asking for like you know

2112
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,039
like oh i'm dying help me it's more like

2113
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,480
help i i

2114
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,079
like as if she wanted to get something

2115
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,160
off the top shelf yeah and then i

2116
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,160
get up and i go to the room or whatever

2117
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:46,480
room she's in and i had to say you know

2118
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,480
what what do you want

2119
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,400
and she's like i didn't say anything it

2120
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,039
was regarding angel well one time

2121
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,359
she was out in the guard in the backyard

2122
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,960
you know tending to her garden and we

2123
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,799
have the sliding glass door

2124
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,799
and and all the doors were closed all

2125
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:04,319
the windows are nailed shut because you

2126
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,720
know

2127
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:07,280
it's a bad neighborhood and then i hear

2128
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,559
the voice and then i i

2129
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,480
you know i get up you know and i stumble

2130
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,319
and i open the door and the door

2131
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,240
lets out this loud creek because it's an

2132
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,839
old sliding glass door

2133
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,839
and then i say to mom i yell out to mom

2134
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,440
and like what

2135
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,520
you know and she's like i didn't i

2136
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,119
didn't call you you know and then i shut

2137
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,480
the glass door and the glass door was

2138
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,599
really really loud and there was

2139
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,280
absolutely no way

2140
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,839
for her to trick me with that and this

2141
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,119
was like in the

2142
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:34,319
like 1990s 1980s so if anyone was like

2143
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,039
oh she

2144
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:37,039
hit a speaker bluetooth speaker in the

2145
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:38,319
wall or something yeah

2146
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,920
right you know there was no way for for

2147
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:43,839
this to have had happened

2148
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,359
whoa specifically to hear that

2149
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,960
that's just weird that's sort of like

2150
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,720
with that i think it was uh what is it

2151
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,000
michael bendis or the the

2152
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,400
the black eyed kid guy where you know

2153
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,480
like everyone keeps trying to

2154
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,039
denounce his his account because they

2155
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:03,280
said because we now have the black-eyed

2156
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,640
scolaris

2157
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:06,880
lenses that people can put in but during

2158
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:09,280
the 1990s the early 90s when he was

2159
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,319
doing that

2160
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,640
there was that wasn't available and if

2161
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,559
it was it was extremely expensive

2162
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,080
oh yeah i haven't heard about this what

2163
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,560
is there is no way that that

2164
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:21,600
co because just to give you guys a

2165
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,640
a leg up on on what happened is is it's

2166
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,759
the account where the guy saw the

2167
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,920
black-eyed kid saw two black-eyed kids

2168
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:30,960
he went to the the mailing box to pay

2169
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,159
his his bill his cable bill his paragon

2170
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:36,000
and and he's like driving by a street

2171
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,520
light he's writing out a check

2172
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,679
because this is again this is like mid

2173
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,600
early 90s

2174
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,920
so he's he's writing the check and then

2175
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,120
he sees a knock on

2176
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:47,440
on the door on the window door and it's

2177
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,319
two kids

2178
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:50,000
they asked if they can get a ride to

2179
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,679
their mother's house so they could get

2180
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,120
money to watch the movie

2181
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,560
and then he looks up at the marquee

2182
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:55,839
because he's right next to the movie

2183
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,560
theater

2184
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:58,560
and we're going to watch mortal kombat

2185
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,839
and it's like he looks up the last

2186
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,799
showing is already

2187
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,359
like halfway past so you know they've

2188
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:05,679
already missed the last showing

2189
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:07,279
and then the the kids start getting

2190
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,799
aggressive with him you know like you

2191
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,759
know let us in

2192
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,520
you know we can't hurt you if you let it

2193
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,600
if you if you invite us in or something

2194
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:18,870
the weird thing is he felt his hand

2195
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:19,759
moving to the

2196
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,040
door to let them in

2197
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,480
you know and he had to pull his hand

2198
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,799
away and and

2199
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,799
he it's just it was and then when he

2200
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:30,400
looked up at them you know they they

2201
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,120
finally

2202
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,560
they were like one of them was wearing a

2203
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:35,120
hood and like he could see the blacks of

2204
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:36,640
the that their eyes were like

2205
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,880
voids and it just it freaked him out so

2206
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,719
much that he just you know he drove off

2207
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,159
and as he drove off he looked in the

2208
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,000
rearview mirror and they were gone

2209
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:48,000
so that was the and that's one of the

2210
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,279
the catalyst

2211
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:51,679
for what is the modern day black eyed

2212
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,480
kid account

2213
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,360
yeah wow and that's and i kind of

2214
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:56,719
compared my experience to that because

2215
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,280
there's no

2216
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:59,199
technical way that you know what

2217
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,320
happened to me

2218
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:02,080
could have happened in the team time

2219
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:03,520
frame that it did right

2220
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,719
yeah dude it's like it's like it's

2221
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,560
almost like with all this stuff man like

2222
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,440
people forget dude like a lot of this

2223
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,560
stuff didn't exist

2224
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,159
you know back in the day when we were

2225
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,239
living in the 1900s bro

2226
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,920
you know like yeah there was a lot of

2227
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:20,080
stuff that wasn't around that like yeah

2228
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,960
it could be

2229
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,679
done now but that doesn't like account

2230
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,600
for anything that could have

2231
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,600
happened back then yeah you know it's

2232
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:29,280
crazy to think about the 1900s where it

2233
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:30,640
was only 20 years ago

2234
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,480
yeah well one of the things that i've

2235
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,960
noticed

2236
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,280
is whenever we do any stories like a lot

2237
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,280
of stuff happens in cycles

2238
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,960
and i think what happens like like we

2239
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,640
have the cycles of the blackhead kids we

2240
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,239
have the cycles of the dog man

2241
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:45,520
and i think what happened is these

2242
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,320
experiences they were always there

2243
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,400
it's just we hear this story it'll shake

2244
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,480
it'll rattle a few stories loose

2245
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,640
and in some cases some people something

2246
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:56,480
happen to them they don't know what it

2247
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,440
was

2248
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,880
but they figure oh well it must have

2249
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,560
been a dog man it must have been that so

2250
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:02,480
then that gets categorized into that

2251
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:03,040
story

2252
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,640
yeah and i think that's what happens a

2253
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:06,400
lot of times is that when these scopes

2254
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,040
happen

2255
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,280
you know they shake stories loose and i

2256
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,320
think this kind of stuff

2257
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,480
is always happening all the weird [\h__\h]

2258
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,000
is always happening and the reason that

2259
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,679
we're hearing about the more weird [\h__\h]

2260
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,280
now

2261
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,679
is because we have a more open forum and

2262
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,880
platform we have

2263
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,280
you know i mean like like your podcast

2264
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:24,800
stuff like you guys you know all things

2265
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,600
weird

2266
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,840
before in early literature stuff the

2267
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:29,840
only stuff that i could get was either

2268
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:30,800
bigfoot

2269
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,440
ghosts and ufos that's it you know

2270
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,960
bigfoot pretty much dominated the

2271
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,640
literary market if there was any other

2272
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,679
kind of cryptid

2273
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,520
it was either put off in a weird you

2274
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,679
know miscellaneous section

2275
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,840
yeah or anything else there was nothing

2276
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,760
dedicated specifically to that

2277
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,840
because bigfoot was the big seller all

2278
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:49,440
these companies they had they had to

2279
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,320
make money

2280
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,000
and they knew that bigfoot and ghosts

2281
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,760
and stuff like that and ufos those were

2282
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:55,280
the big sellers so that's what we talked

2283
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,560
about right yeah definitely

2284
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,239
intimate details and stuff like that the

2285
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,679
black eyed kids like all that stuff was

2286
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,199
probably sidelined and sitting on the

2287
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,640
cutter room floor of

2288
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,080
most publishers stuff because they

2289
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:05,920
didn't know what to do with it yeah

2290
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:09,120
now with us out there you know there's a

2291
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,560
place for these stories to

2292
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,800
to resonate to absolutely that's a great

2293
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,560
point counts

2294
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:17,280
yeah and then again like the whole the

2295
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:17,679
our

2296
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,000
conversation i think that's why we're

2297
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,000
seeing a rise in podcasting now

2298
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,320
is because you know like i said you

2299
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:26,000
can't talk about this [\h__\h] on facebook

2300
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:28,000
it's it's really hard it it turns into

2301
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:28,880
click bait

2302
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,600
with all that you know with here like

2303
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,280
we're sort of bringing back the art of

2304
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,480
conversation

2305
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,400
i mean even listening to george norian

2306
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,320
stuff like that an art bell and all that

2307
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,920
yeah those were great shows

2308
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,920
but they were tightly formatted they

2309
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,679
they had you know i mean

2310
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,199
you couldn't hear anyone cuss or

2311
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,239
anything like that definitely heartfelt

2312
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,120
yeah he would cut you off yeah they

2313
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,719
would have to do everything within the

2314
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,080
commercial segments

2315
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,520
and if someone said something that was

2316
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:59,920
you know detrimental to the the sponsors

2317
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,800
you know well

2318
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,480
[\h__\h] that you know you can't get your

2319
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,000
show on yeah

2320
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,719
and with the with the with podcasting

2321
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,560
you know it it presents these alternate

2322
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,080
avenues and stuff like that

2323
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,920
for people to hear these these stuff

2324
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,440
that they would have never have heard

2325
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,120
before so i think now

2326
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,960
is probably the best time for or you

2327
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,360
know paranormal any kind of content

2328
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,120
and i i really think that's why

2329
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,560
podcasting and stuff is becoming such a

2330
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,239
joke you're not it's like no wonder

2331
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,080
you know we jumped into it because it's

2332
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,520
so much fun and

2333
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,520
we're actually talking about stuff oh

2334
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,960
yeah dude blah blah blah

2335
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,719
you know let's read the story blah blah

2336
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,719
blah right i think i mean

2337
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,960
just as we're on this topic of

2338
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,480
podcasting and how

2339
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,080
awesome it is now like such an awesome

2340
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,400
format i mean i i started what

2341
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,719
listening to the joe rogan podcast about

2342
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,880
five years ago i remember i remember

2343
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,000
watching the

2344
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,159
the 200th episode or listening to the

2345
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:52,159
200 that's when i started

2346
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,600
and i loved it because they talked about

2347
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,960
aliens and all that stuff and then he

2348
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,560
kind of

2349
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,080
like steered away from doing that and

2350
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,400
i've always wanted to do that's all i

2351
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,080
want to hear is about the ufos and

2352
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,719
bigfoot and cryptids and weird [\h__\h]

2353
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,199
and it just kind of happened so you know

2354
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,400
effortlessly when

2355
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,960
me and joe you know been playing

2356
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,080
together with music for

2357
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,360
like 10 years and man it's just been

2358
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,480
i i i love it not just because now we

2359
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,640
have an outlet to talk about this stuff

2360
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:22,480
but we also get to talk to people like

2361
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,199
you that

2362
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,480
also are interested in in this topic and

2363
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,480
we get to talk to other people directly

2364
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,159
we don't have to listen to

2365
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,239
another show kind of just touch on it

2366
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,600
and you know for a

2367
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,840
10 minute segment and then a [\h__\h] ton of

2368
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,199
commercials

2369
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,320
yeah yeah exactly i love the long form

2370
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,800
stuff so i yeah i'm excited where this

2371
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,120
this is all going for sure man

2372
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:47,280
yeah yeah and and another thing is

2373
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,159
though is that

2374
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:50,000
i mean i think one of joe rogan's

2375
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,440
greatest strengths you know i'm yeah

2376
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,719
it's great to make fun of him everybody

2377
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,320
makes fun of him you have to

2378
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,880
it's hilarious he's you know he's big

2379
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,480
enough he can take it you know yeah

2380
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,679
oh yeah uh or or at least not hide waste

2381
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,920
depending on you know but still anyway

2382
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:05,280
he's not tall enough to take it but he's

2383
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,159
big enough to take it

2384
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,679
yeah the point is is that the the point

2385
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,640
is is that

2386
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:13,760
when he's not art bell he's not gonna

2387
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,199
he's with artbell he he lets his

2388
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,840
he gives his guests enough rope to hang

2389
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:20,880
themselves

2390
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,920
that's yeah joe broken

2391
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,760
joe rogan you know he he'll immediately

2392
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,440
come in like dude that sounds like

2393
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:28,400
[\h__\h]

2394
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,320
yep yeah and

2395
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,320
and you know and and he he gets that

2396
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:35,760
sort of you know he gets that sort of

2397
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,239
you know

2398
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,800
uh down to earth sort of cynical view of

2399
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,840
stuff you know

2400
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,360
and you know and and the thing is he'll

2401
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:43,040
hear people out that's sort of what i

2402
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:44,640
kind of like that unless you really piss

2403
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,280
him off

2404
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:47,199
oh which takes a little work to piss him

2405
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,480
off yeah but

2406
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,480
he's so lucky he's cool as a cucumber

2407
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:52,239
it's very yeah it's difficult to piss

2408
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:52,960
him off and

2409
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:56,400
if you talk over him or you know

2410
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,840
anyway i i i'm like totally on the joe

2411
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:02,080
rogan train like i have nothing bad

2412
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,719
to say about the guy but no i agree like

2413
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,640
he doesn't give the

2414
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,800
the speaker or guest enough rope that's

2415
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,560
a great analogy enough rope to hang

2416
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,440
himself with

2417
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:13,360
like he'll stop him and say like hold on

2418
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,719
wait a minute

2419
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,960
that's uh that's a little a little much

2420
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:17,920
which

2421
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:20,480
man i'll be honest like maybe i need

2422
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,040
that

2423
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,960
a lot and and when i'm listening to

2424
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,239
content too because

2425
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,560
i love this topic so much that i will

2426
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,760
listen to literally

2427
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,440
anything you have to say i won't stop

2428
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,199
yet yeah

2429
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,280
yeah yeah well i mean the thing is he he

2430
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,800
does like a he does a good enough

2431
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,320
balance of it where they still get to

2432
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,679
have their say

2433
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,920
but he'll like he'll like reflect on it

2434
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,520
you know every now and then he'll like

2435
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,800
like hang on a minute

2436
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,719
you know he's he's still a meat head

2437
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,880
he's still gonna have that take

2438
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:49,360
but it's just he'd like he lets him have

2439
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,719
their say and then he'll

2440
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,400
interject with his stuff but it's a no

2441
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,560
[\h__\h] stance most of the time

2442
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,400
right right i think we i think we need

2443
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:57,840
that as far as our

2444
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,760
our community of like-minded curiosity

2445
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,600
driven minds i think we

2446
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,920
we definitely need that balance uh i

2447
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,400
mean yeah i think he definitely

2448
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,120
inspired me to to get up the balls to

2449
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,800
try to do this whole thing so

2450
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,199
i mean man also he's a texan now he just

2451
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,960
moved to austin hell yeah dude

2452
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,800
yeah bro i'm gonna try and landscape his

2453
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:20,480
house

2454
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,080
and elon musk yeah and alex jones

2455
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,320
uh yeah yeah i'm gonna hit those dudes

2456
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,600
uh all three

2457
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:30,000
yeah well your your rent's going up not

2458
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,880
mine so

2459
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:33,520
yeah well i live like i live like 25

2460
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:33,920
minutes

2461
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:37,679
east of uh uh of austin uh

2462
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:40,960
and uh yeah so my my my uh

2463
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:43,600
my taxes are pretty sweet i'm enjoying

2464
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,560
it

2465
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:46,080
i know austin's taxes are about to go

2466
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:47,600
back up because they just approved that

2467
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:48,400
train

2468
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:52,640
be expensive

2469
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,600
yeah i mean yeah i mean i i really don't

2470
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,719
know how i feel with that

2471
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,800
you know because you know i mean i i may

2472
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:01,040
not agree with all his policies and his

2473
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:02,560
politics and stuff like that but you

2474
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,199
know i

2475
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,000
i it you can't ignore the the impact

2476
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:08,320
that he's had on the community

2477
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,120
uh just as a whole you know and but

2478
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,560
again you know he's big enough that we

2479
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,840
can take a crack at it oh yeah

2480
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,120
he's probably never going to hear this

2481
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,280
ever so we're fine

2482
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,280
and the the one of the things is that

2483
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,679
you know i mean austin is sort of like

2484
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:24,000
you know i mean i i give you guys lots

2485
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,880
of [\h__\h] but

2486
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,560
the thing is that i do that is because

2487
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,080
you know the relationship between san

2488
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:29,840
antonio and austin is pretty much is

2489
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,560
that

2490
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,880
san antonio is we have all this stuff we

2491
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:34,719
do all this stuff but no matter how good

2492
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:35,520
or big we

2493
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,560
are austin is always the cool cousin

2494
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,560
and everybody wants to hang out with the

2495
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:42,159
cool cousins nobody wants to come and

2496
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,120
hang out with us

2497
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:46,159
yes man it's so good yeah that's why

2498
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,600
there's this sort of like you know like

2499
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,760
this animosity between me and these guys

2500
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,560
right it's it's just it's just you know

2501
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,080
if the listeners are trying to cue in

2502
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,760
like why the [\h__\h] is chris giving him so

2503
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,120
much [\h__\h]

2504
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,600
well here's why you know and as far as

2505
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,199
political stuff i mean

2506
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,840
everyone describes you know texas as a

2507
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:04,880
gigantic red

2508
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:08,000
ass and austin is the blue butthole of

2509
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:12,080
the big red butt cheeks of texas

2510
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,520
yes yeah that's exactly it

2511
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:18,159
but dude i gotta tell you man i love san

2512
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,040
antonio

2513
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:22,320
uh big uh heavy metal community in san

2514
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:23,280
antonio

2515
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,480
i like my metal you know uh definitely

2516
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,560
we get like oz fest a couple years in it

2517
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:30,560
and then coming through it's great

2518
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:33,440
yeah i saw blink 182 i saw blink 182 in

2519
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,320
san antonio

2520
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,120
it's not metal dude it's music it got

2521
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:38,880
something to do with it

2522
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:41,440
they have guitars yeah yeah with the

2523
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:44,080
with the henry b gonzalez center and the

2524
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,960
and the the [\h__\h] the the alamo dome i

2525
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:48,560
mean this place is made for big events

2526
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,520
oh yeah

2527
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,199
dude i i don't know if like you're into

2528
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,760
sports or anything but i was so bummed

2529
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,760
that san antonio didn't push harder to

2530
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,960
get the raiders there

2531
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,880
that would have been [\h__\h] cool as

2532
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,800
[\h__\h] i would have maybe not

2533
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,960
been a cowboys fan i would have been a

2534
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:05,040
san antonio raiders fan that would have

2535
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:05,440
been

2536
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:10,080
yeah i think it was what was it when we

2537
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:12,000
i think we hosted the saints for like a

2538
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:13,520
couple months after the one of the

2539
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,480
hurricanes yep

2540
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:16,800
yep yeah yeah and it would have been

2541
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,159
cool too because because the raiders

2542
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,679
would have matched the spurs

2543
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:22,719
i hate the spurs by the way but yeah

2544
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,840
i'm a mavs guy so but uh yeah man that

2545
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:27,280
that would have been super awesome to

2546
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:28,960
have the raiders there but yeah dude i

2547
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:31,600
i love san antonio man it's it's a it's

2548
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,400
a it's a

2549
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,719
really cool spot me and my wife try to

2550
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,840
go down there

2551
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,920
uh whenever we can you know like if

2552
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,520
we're gonna go hang out

2553
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,520
that's where we go to hang out or we go

2554
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,880
out in the hill country somewhere

2555
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,239
it's either san antonio or the hill

2556
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:46,159
country i hate the beach so

2557
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,840
but technically i've never been to like

2558
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,360
a real beach with like

2559
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:52,000
i've always been to like you know like

2560
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,350
it's just like it looks like a giant

2561
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,520
lake it's so brown

2562
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:01,280
and you get in and then you walk out and

2563
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,960
you're covered in like seaweed and like

2564
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,600
oil

2565
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:05,600
and you're like [\h__\h] this is terrible i

2566
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,880
got sand in my ass

2567
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,040
this is awful jellyfish sticking out

2568
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:10,800
your yeah dude

2569
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,239
oh man but uh yeah yeah i uh san antonio

2570
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,760
or the hill country man those are those

2571
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,040
are my spots for sure

2572
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,400
in texas at least so uh

2573
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,239
hey chris cell i'm just looking at at

2574
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:24,159
these uh these illustrations sorry

2575
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,639
i'm maybe switching gears here

2576
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,480
can we talk about those illustrations

2577
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,080
that you sent me or do you have to take

2578
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:33,679
go to the bathroom or i i might

2579
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,679
i think i have to pee real quick unless

2580
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,679
we want to hit right into it or

2581
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,600
keep going because i mean i'm i'm here

2582
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,280
so all right well

2583
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:43,440
yeah we could like we could like take

2584
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:45,040
five minutes and then and then you guys

2585
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,159
can take care of your stuff

2586
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,760
okay all right how about this how about

2587
01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:49,280
you just go pee and then i'll just tell

2588
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,400
people to go check out

2589
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,239
phoenixshaving.com uh if if you're uh

2590
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,320
after you finish smoking your small

2591
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:57,920
batch redeemer

2592
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,120
cb doobie uh you might smell a little

2593
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,639
funky you know you might smell a little

2594
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,159
bit like the devil's lettuce

2595
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,320
uh so you need to freshen up go check

2596
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,320
out uh phoenix shaving

2597
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,800
at phoenixshaving.com those guys are

2598
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,000
super awesome

2599
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,360
uh and uh yeah so that's

2600
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,040
you know it's kind of a bummer because

2601
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,600
we used to have abduction 51 with us and

2602
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,840
they're no longer a company i think this

2603
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,000
coveted stuff kind of ate them up that's

2604
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,920
why we took on redeemer

2605
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:28,639
um but uh yeah man uh go check those

2606
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:30,080
guys out they got everything for your

2607
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,719
beard

2608
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:33,280
uh you know soap for your body they got

2609
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:33,920
uh

2610
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,040
shaving cream

2611
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,920
dude chris uh have you i don't know if

2612
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:41,440
you've ever checked him out but have you

2613
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:49,590
where'd you go chris you there

2614
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,639
maybe chris took a five too no biggie um

2615
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,920
because i'm still here

2616
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,280
even though ben went to the bathroom i

2617
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,800
think i think i think chris dipped out

2618
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,600
too

2619
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,440
i'm over here asking him questions like

2620
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,360
a big dummy but uh yeah

2621
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,199
he's back what's up bin oh what's up

2622
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,800
dude hey did you talk about a

2623
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,880
small batch redeemer yet i did i told

2624
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,239
everybody that if they

2625
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,320
just smoked a cb doobie from small batch

2626
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,840
redeemer they're probably going to need

2627
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:13,360
to freshen up a little bit with the

2628
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:14,239
products by

2629
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,960
phoenix shaving yeah at

2630
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:17,679
phoenixshaving.com and

2631
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:24,870
and let me just let me just say this

2632
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,360
most importantly go to ufogaragepc.com

2633
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,960
check us out that's where you can find

2634
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:32,639
all of our affiliates that's where you

2635
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,000
can find all the goodies

2636
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,080
if you're confused on how to use the

2637
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,280
internet go to you have whoa

2638
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,040
there's all this beer sorry about that

2639
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:44,000
go to ufogaragepc.com and every one of

2640
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,199
our episodes is

2641
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,480
up on the site hey and if you love our

2642
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,560
our podcast if you're new or if you've

2643
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,920
been around for a while

2644
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,760
man we've got if if you want to support

2645
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:56,000
us buy a t-shirt we get a little bit of

2646
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,199
a profit off of that

2647
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,080
so that'll keep us going it uh it not

2648
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:01,520
only will pay for

2649
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:04,159
uh new equipment for the studio we might

2650
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,719
we're

2651
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,159
i'm thinking about upgrading our

2652
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:08,159
microphones soon

2653
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,440
i mean we're good now but uh if we're

2654
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,840
obviously we can't go to any shirt mics

2655
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,840
but uh yeah shirt mics might be cool or

2656
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,560
another

2657
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:19,440
tiny mic might be cool two tiny mic but

2658
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,040
it but it also would go

2659
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:24,000
towards our our our uh expenses when it

2660
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,719
goes to like

2661
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,960
putting the podcast on the internet you

2662
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,480
know that stuff's not free

2663
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,880
it's it's it's the the podcast what does

2664
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,400
ryan sprague say the uh

2665
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,960
the podcast is free to consume but it's

2666
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,400
not free to make you know

2667
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,000
and right now most of this is gonna go

2668
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,600
to the documentary that we're working on

2669
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:42,159
yeah yeah probably yep but but you know

2670
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:42,800
that

2671
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,920
think most of you guys know about if

2672
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:46,800
you've been through

2673
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,159
been with us for the past couple of

2674
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:50,159
months man the uh

2675
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,520
the uh uh it's time doc is gonna be

2676
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,679
great man i don't know if we've

2677
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:57,520
totally nailed down a time i think we

2678
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,719
should go i think we should go to

2679
01:25:01,189 --> 01:25:00,159
arkansas first i think we should just

2680
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,199
drive there

2681
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,280
and go do it i think so too yeah this

2682
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:04,960
covey thing has put like kind of

2683
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,880
the brakes on a lot of stuff um

2684
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,560
i've sifted through all the material

2685
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,239
we've received so far

2686
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,719
so uh i'm ready for some new material

2687
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,520
and i'm ready to get them stories

2688
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:19,600
we've got so much stuff it's like it's

2689
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,840
been a couple of months since we started

2690
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,840
looking into doing this stuff and we

2691
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,600
talked to eric almost you know once

2692
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,440
every other day and it's almost like

2693
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:28,880
it's a new

2694
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,560
image or video or a new story he's just

2695
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,960
man it's a never-ending thing it's great

2696
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:36,320
i love it yeah and

2697
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:38,239
we're all slowly piecing the story

2698
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,440
together dude

2699
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:42,239
i'm excited to yeah get get it started

2700
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,199
like we need to

2701
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,800
go ahead and just get up there dude i

2702
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:46,239
think it's going to be september early

2703
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,280
september

2704
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:49,120
which that's when i'll be free i don't

2705
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,400
know if we want to

2706
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,159
plan on this on like live on the podcast

2707
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:55,840
but i don't know i'm just throwing out a

2708
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:57,280
date but yeah guys if y'all want to help

2709
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,520
support that man go to it'stime.com

2710
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:03,440
and uh check it out man i mean you know

2711
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,639
every little bit helps

2712
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,880
and we have different levels you can get

2713
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,000
uh monthly

2714
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:10,400
updates you can get a t-shirt you can

2715
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,440
even get a

2716
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:15,040
a link um to view the documentary

2717
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:18,320
before it comes out here and uh also you

2718
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:19,520
can you can uh

2719
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,760
get an opportunity to sit here and chit

2720
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:22,960
chat with eric

2721
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,920
yeah um and uh you know and ask him some

2722
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,639
questions

2723
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:29,120
he's such an awesome dude uh you'll love

2724
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,840
it yeah

2725
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:31,440
and all the donations are for that

2726
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,960
documentary are going towards

2727
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:34,960
renting equipment high quality equipment

2728
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,600
we want this documentary to look awesome

2729
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,400
and edited awesome so yeah that costs

2730
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:42,159
money so we that's where the money's

2731
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,719
going

2732
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,719
yeah yeah definitely we explained that

2733
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,239
in in on the website but

2734
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,480
just so you guys know we're not like

2735
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:50,480
good

2736
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,920
we are about humble slaves to society

2737
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,560
and we could use a little help to create

2738
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:57,840
great content

2739
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:01,679
where babes would help to create

2740
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:05,440
the greatest documentary got to pay

2741
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,440
the king his taxes yes yes

2742
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,760
oh man george oregon 2020 libertarian

2743
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,199
party

2744
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,679
okay that's the end nice dude are you

2745
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,040
there chris

2746
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,719
right we're back yep yeah we're ready to

2747
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:21,040
go take a piss oh no worries man no

2748
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,400
worries

2749
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,719
oh i'm gonna go fill up my my i got i'm

2750
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,840
drinking uh

2751
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,400
a hot earl grey tea and i'm putting in a

2752
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:29,760
touch of whiskey and honey

2753
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,600
oh hell yeah

2754
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,960
one time i was drinking i was drinking

2755
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,880
like uh butt ice and

2756
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,360
and my tongue started to swell when i

2757
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:41,040
was drinking i guess i was dehydrating

2758
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,520
myself

2759
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,400
and i started i already talked like i

2760
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,920
have special needs but now it's like

2761
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,960
even more so

2762
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,560
when i do that so i don't i don't drink

2763
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:50,480
beer on the podcast anymore it's either

2764
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,790
oh my god i totally know what you mean

2765
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,639
man like when i start getting a little

2766
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,239
tipsy my tongue gets

2767
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,239
literally it gets fat and i just trip

2768
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:03,920
over my own tongue man i

2769
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,400
totally i totally the same thing happens

2770
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,000
to me that's crazy man

2771
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,840
well yeah dude so we wanted to kind of

2772
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,600
get into some of these images

2773
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:14,400
uh right now one of the images that

2774
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,360
we're looking at

2775
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:17,679
is this hot chick on a four-wheeler dude

2776
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,960
and there's like

2777
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,800
there's like uh some she looks like

2778
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,800
shadow people out in the background like

2779
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,800
in a forest maybe can you explain that a

2780
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:26,000
little bit to us

2781
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:27,600
yeah sure i mean well don't don't say

2782
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,800
she's too hot cause that's kind of

2783
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:30,400
illegal because that's shannon legro

2784
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:30,960
when she was

2785
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:34,320
15. oh joe come on

2786
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,840
damn it you tricked me oh her her

2787
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:40,159
account was that she was four-wheeling

2788
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:40,639
on

2789
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,480
uh mesquite trees in the mesquite forest

2790
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:48,239
and she was going through them and as

2791
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:50,159
she was going through them she saw like

2792
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:52,560
about four or five shadow figures

2793
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,920
weaving

2794
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:55,440
through the trees like they were just

2795
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,560
running through the tree like they were

2796
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,600
booking it

2797
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,760
and what she noticed is that they were

2798
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:01,360
running as if they were maybe running

2799
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:02,480
through the trees like they weren't

2800
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:03,679
being hindered

2801
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,360
they were running at full speed and she

2802
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:07,360
was like rving you know just cruising

2803
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:07,840
through

2804
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,320
yeah and it was like when she was a kid

2805
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,840
and that's one of the experiences that

2806
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,280
definitely shaped her

2807
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,360
yeah shannon wrote she runs this show

2808
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:16,880
called uh

2809
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,920
into the she runs this show called into

2810
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,719
the fray

2811
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,800
and it's really good it's a good show

2812
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,080
she's she's one of my

2813
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:26,080
big inspirations for for doing this

2814
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:29,920
stuff one of my huge influences

2815
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:32,320
that's that's that's pretty crazy dude

2816
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,199
like

2817
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,480
it's so okay so let me get this straight

2818
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,400
we've got a 18 year old chick on a

2819
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:40,320
four-wheeler and she's riding through

2820
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:41,840
the mesquite and she sees these

2821
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,719
random like just shadow figures in the

2822
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:47,280
back and it becomes her inspiration dude

2823
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,000
i mean like as as a as a child

2824
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,159
like it's to me like that's one of the

2825
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,679
most interesting things is like a lot of

2826
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:57,600
this stuff like happens to people as a

2827
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:58,159
child

2828
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,760
and it kind of affects them through

2829
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:01,920
their whole life and one thing that i do

2830
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,239
find interesting also is that like

2831
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,679
it's weird because like when you're when

2832
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:07,840
you're when you're younger you know you

2833
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,360
see some of these things

2834
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:11,679
and it affects people differently like

2835
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:13,040
like in this instance

2836
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,080
it was like uh an inspiration to her in

2837
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:18,480
other instances you might see something

2838
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:20,560
crazy as a child and then just

2839
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:22,560
completely forget it

2840
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,600
you know um like terry loveless

2841
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:27,840
uh we had him on the show and he had a

2842
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,639
you know

2843
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:30,320
he had stuff that was happening to him

2844
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,360
as a child but he never even like

2845
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,840
connected the dots until like later on

2846
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:37,440
in his life as an adult

2847
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,639
you know yeah i remember hearing about

2848
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,239
i remember talking to him before his

2849
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:43,760
book came out

2850
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,920
um this was in houston uh i think it was

2851
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,000
hurricane harvey came through

2852
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,239
and it flooded out this this there was

2853
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:51,920
like a convention happening like the

2854
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,800
the like the almost like the day after

2855
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:56,080
harvey

2856
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,520
uh and it was like two or three days

2857
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,199
after and i'm driving down to houston

2858
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,719
and i'm seeing you know all the flood

2859
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:02,000
damage and [\h__\h]

2860
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,280
and it completely destroyed the

2861
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:05,120
attendance of this of this paranormal

2862
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,719
convention and it was really

2863
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:08,960
sad but terry lovelace was one of the

2864
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:10,719
guests there and this was before his

2865
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,360
book came out it was before he hit a big

2866
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,520
and i think travis walton was there and

2867
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,520
i told my my travis story there where i

2868
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:19,120
got to have dinner and hang out with

2869
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,000
travis walton

2870
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,920
because no one else was there to talk to

2871
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,360
him

2872
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,280
that's cool i had i had travis walton

2873
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,600
all to myself and he is the coolest dude

2874
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,760
and terry lovelace too he is so freaking

2875
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,440
awesome he's like such a cool guy

2876
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,960
they're great i got to sit there and

2877
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,560
talk to him you know just just

2878
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,639
nonchalantly for like maybe like an hour

2879
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:38,880
or two and he is such a cool guy

2880
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:40,960
and you know and i was like talking

2881
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,800
about him about his experiences

2882
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,639
and his his book hadn't been published

2883
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:46,400
yet he was giving out leaflets and stuff

2884
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:47,280
like that

2885
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,280
and it's just amazing how that you know

2886
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,800
experience like transformed him and

2887
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,719
how he's trying to approach it and come

2888
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:55,120
out with like you know as a lawyer and

2889
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:55,600
stuff and

2890
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:57,920
try to cover his ass and explain the

2891
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,960
legality

2892
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,639
okay maybe why some of these people

2893
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:02,000
don't come forward

2894
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,280
because if they do they're going to get

2895
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:05,280
so much litigation you know

2896
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,120
from the government and [\h__\h] like that

2897
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:09,120
yeah you know it's like well why is

2898
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,639
there so much silence on this you know

2899
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,239
and it's like well you know this guy

2900
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:14,000
gives some insight

2901
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,920
yeah definitely he really does yeah and

2902
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:17,840
and the fact that he didn't want to come

2903
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:19,040
out with a story until

2904
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:22,080
he was you know for sure

2905
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:25,280
able to do it with without tired retired

2906
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,000
yeah his legal

2907
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,880
practice like yeah it makes total sense

2908
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:30,639
why somebody would wait

2909
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:33,040
to talk about this stuff because i mean

2910
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:34,239
now

2911
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,679
it's it's all out in the open but he

2912
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:37,760
doesn't have to have he doesn't have a

2913
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:40,480
a career to think about because this

2914
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:40,880
stuff

2915
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:43,040
it sucks but that's the reality of our

2916
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:44,159
culture is that

2917
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,719
things like this this topic can ruin

2918
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:47,760
people's

2919
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:50,400
credibility and that's really shitty i

2920
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:52,719
hope that that that changes soon though

2921
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:55,920
yeah me too yeah we haven't we we've

2922
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:56,639
just reached

2923
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:00,560
are just afraid of getting scrutinized

2924
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,840
but we haven't hit the point where

2925
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,000
cancel culture has come into

2926
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:07,120
our community yet oh i mean i i think we

2927
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:09,199
have like i think it was the jan harzan

2928
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:09,600
stuff

2929
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:12,159
like that yeah romanex people like that

2930
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,719
but you know

2931
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:14,639
i mean we have stuff like that coming in

2932
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:15,760
and and it's like

2933
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:17,360
that's not really cancel culture that's

2934
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,800
where like hey you [\h__\h] up

2935
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:20,560
right yeah exactly there's there's no

2936
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:22,880
deliberate like campaign

2937
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:26,080
by weirdos to to get these guys to get

2938
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:27,440
anyone taken out

2939
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,400
right yet yeah i'm really holding my

2940
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:32,000
breath and hoping that it doesn't happen

2941
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:34,159
yet because

2942
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:35,840
i think you know once you know

2943
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:38,239
paranormal stuff if if it ever becomes

2944
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:39,760
mainstream then yeah we'll totally see

2945
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,480
that [\h__\h]

2946
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,880
yeah but for right now it's so niche

2947
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:44,800
that we're able to you know at least

2948
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:48,159
keep our house somewhat clean i mean

2949
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:49,679
there are a lot of weirdos here and i

2950
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:51,280
got some weirdos stories and i

2951
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:52,560
i really don't want to get into them

2952
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:53,920
right now because i think we've got

2953
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:54,960
enough time already

2954
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:57,199
yeah but you know there's there's just

2955
01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:58,400
so much stuff in in the

2956
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:01,440
in in any of the paranormal communities

2957
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:04,000
and it's just it's just a thing and i i

2958
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:04,560
really

2959
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,320
do think that we're doing somewhat of a

2960
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,080
good job you know keeping

2961
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:10,080
keeping our house straight somewhat i

2962
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:11,520
mean the thing is with all the people

2963
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,960
with all the weirdos all the charlotte's

2964
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,639
and all that stuff you know

2965
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,000
you don't have to buy their books you

2966
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:18,400
don't have to support them yeah if you

2967
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,960
think they're

2968
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,960
they're there's something up with them

2969
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:22,800
you can you can openly criticize them

2970
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,199
and

2971
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,520
i mean i'm not saying harass them but

2972
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:27,440
you can openly you know

2973
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:29,199
put up your criticism like well this is

2974
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,120
my my stance on

2975
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:33,120
this and this subject and stuff like

2976
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,800
that like um

2977
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,560
like let me bring up like stan roman act

2978
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:38,320
i i i'm starting to believe that

2979
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:41,360
maybe he was set up you know at that i

2980
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:42,880
think that stuff was planted on him

2981
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:43,600
because from the

2982
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:45,679
the interviews the guy is such a [\h__\h]

2983
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:47,600
[\h__\h]

2984
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,000
there's no way that he would put you

2985
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:52,320
know child porn on a zip drive and leave

2986
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,199
it right next to it

2987
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,800
to his desk you know because that's too

2988
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:56,880
many steps of levels of security of

2989
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:58,320
intelligence that i don't think he

2990
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,280
possesses

2991
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:01,600
yeah that makes sense dude i've never

2992
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:02,719
thought of that

2993
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:05,520
i think i think they got him but you

2994
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:06,080
know

2995
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:08,000
not not because i don't think he he's a

2996
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:09,440
pervert he's you know

2997
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:11,040
two things that's another thing that's

2998
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:12,560
happening in this community in any of

2999
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:13,520
the communities

3000
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,440
is that there's this duality two things

3001
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,119
can be true at the same time

3002
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,880
yeah and that's where this political

3003
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,480
[\h__\h] is coming and trying to

3004
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,480
you know trying to polarize any opinions

3005
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,159
well if you believe this

3006
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:26,400
then you support this it's like no two

3007
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:28,080
things can be true at the same time

3008
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,280
um you know he can be a a creepy guy and

3009
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,520
he could maybe he didn't you know have

3010
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,280
that that kitty porn

3011
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,119
you know i because i don't think he's

3012
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,800
smart enough to know how to get that

3013
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:39,679
stuff

3014
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,840
i don't that that requires a level of

3015
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,920
savvy that i don't think he has

3016
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:46,159
yeah yeah i've seen his evidence and

3017
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,080
from what i'm judging by

3018
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:49,920
looking at i mean i do photoshop and

3019
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:51,920
stuff like this i think what is it joe

3020
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:56,000
you do graphic design or yeah yeah

3021
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,600
and you do the graphic design stuff you

3022
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:59,520
understand photoshop yes you know

3023
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,840
you know all that [\h__\h] and looking at

3024
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,600
the stuff you can see the smudge marks

3025
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:06,080
from the smudge tools that he uses to

3026
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,199
to uh edit his images you can see you

3027
01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:10,560
know like um

3028
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,920
like stuff where stuff just does not

3029
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,440
line up where certain shadows just do

3030
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:14,719
not line up and stuff like that

3031
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,920
there are a lot of there are a lot of

3032
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:17,760
inconsistencies yeah

3033
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:20,880
only on a couple not on all of them yeah

3034
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:23,440
if you if you have an eye you can

3035
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,639
scrutinize

3036
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,480
you you there is a case to make some

3037
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:28,159
scrutiny now i'm sure some of his

3038
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:28,880
experiences

3039
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:31,920
were genuine and but that doesn't again

3040
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,480
mean that

3041
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,159
all of them were again two things can be

3042
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,840
true at the same time yeah he can't

3043
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:38,159
be a contact he and he can also fake his

3044
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:39,440
[\h__\h] right

3045
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:43,280
i'm i'm on the same uh uh idea that

3046
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,480
i mean someone said it in his

3047
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:46,400
documentary but if one percent of his

3048
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,199
story is true

3049
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:49,840
then it's it's the most credible source

3050
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:50,480
that we've

3051
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,199
we've got as far as documentation goes

3052
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:55,119
yeah yeah and and again you know i mean

3053
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,560
that's not a i'm not gonna die

3054
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:58,880
on that hill you know if if he actually

3055
01:37:00,790 --> 01:37:00,239
did all that stuff then they're like

3056
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,800
okay yeah

3057
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,400
i'm fine with that if he admits to it

3058
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:04,000
and all that stuff that's fine

3059
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:05,840
but it's just the thing is it just you

3060
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,119
know i'm kind of sort of like throwing

3061
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,199
that seat maybe i'm just being you know

3062
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,920
intensely facetious but it's just one of

3063
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,360
those things it's like you know

3064
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,440
after looking at this guy i'm like yeah

3065
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:17,520
this guy's a [\h__\h]

3066
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,880
yeah dude i that's that's funny man

3067
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:23,199
that's funny yeah i don't know i don't

3068
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,639
know what to think about it all man it's

3069
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,600
it's definitely like

3070
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:27,760
it the thing that i always talk about is

3071
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,719
i'm not saying

3072
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,960
that i believe one way or the other but

3073
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:32,080
i will say this

3074
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,920
now whether he did it or not i don't

3075
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,440
really know i can't

3076
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,920
publicly say this if i believe it or not

3077
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,600
but i will say this i do know

3078
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,000
that i mean just think about what are

3079
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:44,080
the ways you can discredit somebody

3080
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:47,520
uh that is speaking out against whatever

3081
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,560
you stand for

3082
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,320
and if you're as powerful as whatever

3083
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,800
these entities are these third-party

3084
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,719
entities that were supposedly stopping

3085
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:56,719
him on a daily basis or whatever on a

3086
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:58,239
weekly basis and beating him up

3087
01:38:01,350 --> 01:38:00,159
you know if if they have the resources

3088
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:01,360
to do that they probably have the

3089
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,000
resources

3090
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:05,119
to hack in your computer and put some

3091
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,719
[\h__\h] on there that's not supposed to be

3092
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,679
on there

3093
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,520
do that's that's all i'll say is that i

3094
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:11,040
believe that that's possible

3095
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,560
yeah i i'm i don't know man i i

3096
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:16,800
again like i'll use your words chris i'm

3097
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:19,040
not prepared to die on that hill but

3098
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:22,400
i you ha i feel like there's that's the

3099
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,440
possibility like

3100
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,880
someone put that [\h__\h] on his computer

3101
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,560
yeah i mean yeah just because i can't

3102
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:28,239
explain it doesn't mean it can't be

3103
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:28,880
possible

3104
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:31,040
you know type of thing yeah i mean i i

3105
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,239
know i'm not that smart

3106
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,159
i know i'm not that technically savvy

3107
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:35,520
but i i do know that

3108
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:38,239
you know computers are uh are a big old

3109
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,360
mess and stuff like that

3110
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:42,080
and yeah even it's just even i don't

3111
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:42,560
know

3112
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,960
i mean i'm not a computer genius i don't

3113
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,800
i wouldn't know how to put something on

3114
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:48,000
someone else's computer

3115
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,520
like i mean i know photoshop and

3116
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,159
illustrator but i don't know it takes a

3117
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:55,040
pretty specific mind and background to

3118
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:56,159
know

3119
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,920
how to do that stuff and i'm just i'm

3120
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,280
just throwing this out there but like

3121
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,440
deep web stuff this is what i'm guessing

3122
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,520
is where all this [\h__\h] child porn is

3123
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,719
coming from

3124
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,560
i mean you have to know how to access

3125
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,760
that which dude

3126
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:09,679
i i don't ever want to touch that [\h__\h]

3127
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,960
because it's going to put a virus on

3128
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:12,560
your computer like

3129
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,760
just i mean yeah yeah i mean if

3130
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,360
if you're at least somewhat technically

3131
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,679
savvy you know how to avoid that [\h__\h]

3132
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,360
and and this guy even though he may not

3133
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,360
be that technically savvy

3134
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,840
you know i mean he's i think as far as

3135
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,199
having it on a zip drive

3136
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:29,679
on a desk that's too on the nose for

3137
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,639
someone like him

3138
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,400
yeah because the guy especially the guy

3139
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,760
who's like a big old

3140
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:36,080
idiot i mean he he presents himself like

3141
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:37,199
he's a [\h__\h]

3142
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,800
yeah that's just my personal opinion

3143
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,400
that's just me that's just me talking

3144
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,560
yeah but mike seems like a guy he would

3145
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:44,800
have a folder on there and it would say

3146
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:48,560
not kitty porn don't [\h__\h]

3147
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,000
taxes taxes yeah exactly i love making

3148
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,760
fun of him you know he's like

3149
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:56,080
he's like he's just such a he's just

3150
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:57,199
such a goofball

3151
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:58,880
he is kind of a big goober right like

3152
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:01,360
he's a he seems like a sweet guy to me i

3153
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,159
don't know but he is

3154
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,760
there's a there's an element of a little

3155
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,920
he's a little creepy right he was like

3156
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:08,400
he was like i was riding my bike and

3157
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:09,760
they beat me up

3158
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:12,800
like wow full why are we on the bike

3159
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:13,119
dude

3160
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,000
three special

3161
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,480
special black op agents with a [\h__\h]

3162
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,400
bike chain yeah whatever dude yeah

3163
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:23,760
i don't know i don't know about that

3164
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,400
part oh man but yeah man just avoid all

3165
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:28,320
that [\h__\h] together just go premium on

3166
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,199
pornhub

3167
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:31,040
yeah just do you know do like the rest

3168
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:32,800
of those spin the nine bucks a month

3169
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,480
you're already doing it for netflix and

3170
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,040
hulu you might as well do it for pornhub

3171
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,880
you don't even need to [\h__\h] pay for

3172
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,480
it i mean just

3173
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:42,000
you know and i i really shouldn't talk

3174
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,679
too much on that stuff because you know

3175
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,440
i do the art [\h__\h] and yeah i get the

3176
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,119
weirdos that come in you know it's like

3177
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,960
hey you know for for a couple extra

3178
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,560
bucks can you draw me having sex with a

3179
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:52,239
werewolf in the forest it's like well

3180
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,560
yeah

3181
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:53,840
i'm gonna have to charge extra for that

3182
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:56,080
okay here we go that's that i got i

3183
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,280
gotta take care of that you know

3184
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,840
that's the anime kind of culture right

3185
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,520
like there's a lot of sexuality

3186
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:03,440
ex expo or not exposed but like

3187
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:04,639
expressed through

3188
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,840
that specific type of type i'm like

3189
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:10,080
i'm already a weirdo i already know i'm

3190
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,960
a [\h__\h] weirdo

3191
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,199
i already know that they're the sexual

3192
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,040
depravity people they're out there and

3193
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,280
stuff like i deal with them i'm

3194
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,239
i mean i'm a furry i'm i'm an anime guy

3195
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,800
i'm i'm into all this fandom [\h__\h]

3196
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,560
and that's another avenue that i wanted

3197
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,000
to go with my show

3198
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,840
where i would talk about you know like

3199
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:30,080
not just not just like uh

3200
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:32,719
when i first started the show i thought

3201
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,600
i'll

3202
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:35,119
i was thinking trying to think of a name

3203
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:36,639
and it's like uh

3204
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,440
you know uh paranormal blah blah i don't

3205
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:41,199
want to do the paranormal stuff

3206
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,719
because i wanted to be more than just

3207
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,560
ghost [\h__\h] and i thought

3208
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,600
conspiracies conspiracies are safe yeah

3209
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:50,320
you go there kind of like a blanket and

3210
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:51,040
then now

3211
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,719
it's like conspiracies are the worst

3212
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:54,239
thing to talk about

3213
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,600
because that's [\h__\h] that gets you

3214
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:57,920
[\h__\h] cancelled and it gets you

3215
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,719
[\h__\h]

3216
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:00,560
dethroned and de-platformed and all that

3217
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,239
[\h__\h] i was like oh [\h__\h]

3218
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:04,159
but at the time you know i thought

3219
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,679
conspiracies were safe

3220
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,600
because it's like whatever yeah and i'll

3221
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,199
just talk about the fun [\h__\h] you know

3222
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:11,600
hillary clinton is a lizard person

3223
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,440
and you know and there then and all this

3224
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:15,040
[\h__\h] like that and then and then i

3225
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,719
like you know talk about like i wanted

3226
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:19,199
to do like uh television conspiracies

3227
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,239
and stuff like that like

3228
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,920
you know like are rachel and ross going

3229
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:24,159
to get everything together you know

3230
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,400
fun shows i love that i actually

3231
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,760
did a show where me and one of my

3232
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,600
friends we just talked about a saturday

3233
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:33,199
morning cartoon for like

3234
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,480
uh 90 minutes and that's all we did we

3235
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:38,320
did hell yeah and we like talked about

3236
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:40,000
like all the conspiracy like oh is this

3237
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:41,520
person gonna get with this person and it

3238
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,000
was

3239
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,080
one of my funnest episodes you know i

3240
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:45,840
mean it didn't get many views but

3241
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:48,080
i think you know because of the the show

3242
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,880
i was talking about

3243
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,719
i probably got a bunch of french

3244
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,480
listeners from that show

3245
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,239
yeah i mean that's what's fun about

3246
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,679
doing the podcast right like you never

3247
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,880
know what's gonna hit with what

3248
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:58,000
community and

3249
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,360
people there are some if you're

3250
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,119
interested in it somebody

3251
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,880
else out there is gonna be interested in

3252
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,960
that's like that's the funnest part is

3253
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:06,239
finding out that

3254
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,840
oh the [\h__\h] we talk about like people

3255
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:09,920
love to talk about this kind of oh yeah

3256
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,560
stuff

3257
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:12,320
all the time and and with it being my

3258
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,520
show you know i could talk about

3259
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,280
whatever the [\h__\h] i want and

3260
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,840
and i do try to you know let people know

3261
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,679
when i start up like okay this is gonna

3262
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:20,960
be a more raunchy show

3263
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,040
if if you're not into this kind of

3264
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:25,119
darker humor you might not like it

3265
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,639
or this is going to cover this kind of

3266
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:28,320
topic if you're not into that go ahead

3267
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,840
and skip it type of thing

3268
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,760
you know i try to keep a good library of

3269
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:33,199
stuff so that people know what they're

3270
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,560
getting into

3271
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:36,239
and they don't have to worry about it

3272
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,600
you know if they don't like it

3273
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,440
that's fine they're totally because i do

3274
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,880
love geek culture

3275
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,800
and i love talking superheroes and comic

3276
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,480
books and all that [\h__\h] and i just

3277
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,960
i love all that [\h__\h] well you're man

3278
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,639
you're such a great artist man

3279
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,719
i just i love that not only are you

3280
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:52,400
interested in it but you're also like

3281
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,360
you know talented

3282
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,440
in in drawing and stuff which i mean i'm

3283
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,199
just we have this this photo of the

3284
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,440
four-wheeler up and i'm like man

3285
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,440
that's that takes some talent i mean did

3286
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:03,280
did you have you always been interested

3287
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:04,560
in an illustration or

3288
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,199
is this kind of a new thing or well i've

3289
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,560
i've always been like doing

3290
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:10,560
i've always been drawing you know comic

3291
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,560
books and stuff like that since i was 12

3292
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,679
years old

3293
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,520
so it's it's been a thing that sort of

3294
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:17,040
stuck with me i've gone to college for

3295
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:19,119
it for a few years and stuff like that

3296
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:20,400
it's it's just always been something

3297
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:21,520
i've done now i don't do it

3298
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,719
professionally

3299
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,880
but it is something that like sort of

3300
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,239
always sticks with me

3301
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:28,080
you know and i'm oh that's always going

3302
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,679
to be like a part of me

3303
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:32,239
so i i mean it's just it's just doing

3304
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,679
the art and stuff it's sort of

3305
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,239
my way of contributing to the community

3306
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,320
yeah that that's how i see it

3307
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,600
you know because i'm always open if

3308
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:41,760
someone has like a few of the stuff that

3309
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:43,040
i've done you know most of the ones that

3310
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:44,480
i'm showing you those are

3311
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,880
uh recreations and listener accounts and

3312
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:48,320
stuff like that stuff that have

3313
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:51,840
happened to people yeah yeah yeah

3314
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,360
i'm just one more thing because i want

3315
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,800
to go to the next one but i just want to

3316
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,400
say like just bragging on you for a

3317
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:57,840
second but like the

3318
01:45:01,270 --> 01:45:00,639
the foil the four-wheeler is like

3319
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,280
spot-on

3320
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:03,679
like it's it's like at an angle and i

3321
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:05,119
don't know how else to say it but it

3322
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:05,760
looks [\h__\h]

3323
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,639
real dude it's it's really well done

3324
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:10,320
there's like so many different like

3325
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,480
physics that's going on with the the

3326
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,639
tires textures yeah dude

3327
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:16,080
there's a lot of movement going on it's

3328
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:17,760
awesome but yeah that's that's all i'll

3329
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,320
say but

3330
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,159
i want to go to the next one man i so

3331
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,679
this the next one that you sent us

3332
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:23,600
and i'm just going off of the the images

3333
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,960
that you sent me the next one is is a

3334
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:26,239
sketch of

3335
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,119
a a green alien maybe we'll call it a

3336
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:31,119
reptilian but it has three toes and

3337
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:32,239
three hands

3338
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,760
which like kind of brings me to

3339
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,679
it looks like the natsuka mummies that

3340
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:39,520
were found recently with the

3341
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:42,239
three toes oh yeah yeah yeah yeah feet i

3342
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,679
think i think one was an

3343
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,679
investigator sketch that they sent to me

3344
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:47,040
and they wanted me to brush it up

3345
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,719
okay yeah it does say investigator

3346
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:50,480
sketch at the bottom yeah

3347
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:53,040
yeah because then they they uh one of

3348
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,639
the groups that i'm a part of

3349
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,239
they'll send me stuff and they're like

3350
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:58,080
you know hey could you could you maybe

3351
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,719
brush this up

3352
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,320
you know because because i i do like

3353
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:02,320
rent out my services out to like to like

3354
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:03,040
people

3355
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,880
and and you know i took like one of

3356
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:06,239
their accounts one of them did this and

3357
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,760
i was like hey let me just

3358
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:09,840
let me punch this up for you yeah and it

3359
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:11,920
was but the the story behind that one

3360
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:12,400
was

3361
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:15,119
is that you know the um this is his

3362
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:15,840
mother

3363
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,400
again this is mom's for some reason

3364
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:20,320
spooks love to bug with moms for some

3365
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:21,679
reason

3366
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:23,920
his his mom was going through the the

3367
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,920
hallway and and she was just like

3368
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,280
turning a corner

3369
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:29,679
and she saw this this this what looked

3370
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,040
like a gray

3371
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:33,360
but he had green skin and he was popped

3372
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:34,159
up

3373
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:37,440
on the on the the on in the corner he

3374
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,880
was just sprawled up there like

3375
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,800
spiderman like spiderman that's how she

3376
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,560
described it he was just sprawled up

3377
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:43,520
there

3378
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:46,480
and and he had he he was surrounded by

3379
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:47,920
sparkles

3380
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:50,080
like uh like have you ever like like

3381
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:52,239
like you know taken a [\h__\h] too hard or

3382
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:02,629
like that he was surrounded by stars

3383
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,280
and and again and again she like went in

3384
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,719
she jumped because at the sudden

3385
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:08,480
surprise of seeing what was

3386
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,920
in front of her and he just blinked out

3387
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,440
of existence

3388
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:15,199
and it's like well what what the hell

3389
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:17,119
happened there and i tried to fill in

3390
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,560
the details as best i can

3391
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,320
to render it out i know that some people

3392
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:22,320
try to get well you put five fingers in

3393
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,960
there instead

3394
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,719
it's like i'm just filling out the image

3395
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,239
that's just that's just

3396
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,840
you know to the best of my training yeah

3397
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,600
yeah i didn't even realize that i

3398
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,280
was i was looking at the sketch and then

3399
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,679
realized oh there's five toes okay

3400
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:35,040
but i mean yeah i'm not giving you a

3401
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,199
[\h__\h] for that but i mean i just think

3402
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:39,520
the illustration is awesome it's just

3403
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,199
the minor nitpick that you know

3404
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,840
some people have on on on social media

3405
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,440
type of thing and it's just like

3406
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,960
you know sometimes we got to fill in the

3407
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:48,400
blank we got to take what we have and we

3408
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:50,239
got to try to you know paint an entire

3409
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,800
picture

3410
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,600
yeah but i i you know and i'm always on

3411
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:55,440
the cruise for like more people like if

3412
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:57,440
they have experiences you know

3413
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:59,520
feel free to come to me and explain them

3414
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,480
to me you know i mean

3415
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,560
in some cases some people i actually

3416
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,560
have been hired out by people

3417
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:06,400
to do sketches for books and stuff like

3418
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:08,000
that i i think i'm about to work with

3419
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,639
some guy

3420
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:10,480
he was doing he was writing a book about

3421
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,719
his childhood experiences

3422
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,400
and but he never got the publishing

3423
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:16,320
unfortunately i lost touch with him

3424
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:18,000
and i don't know what happened maybe he

3425
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,760
just moved on with it or did something

3426
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,520
else but you know i mean i do produce

3427
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:23,040
sketches and stuff for like books and

3428
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,000
stuff like that

3429
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:26,239
and and comics and magazines and [\h__\h] so

3430
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:28,000
i've i've done all that stuff before

3431
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,360
yeah man i we had a guest on uh uh

3432
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,639
a podcast to go um

3433
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,639
uh was it was it sunny that was on with

3434
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,159
the the egg

3435
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,280
battery yeah i heard that one

3436
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:44,080
yeah oh yeah yeah i would man we'll talk

3437
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,760
after but i would love for you to

3438
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,960
illustrate that dude

3439
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,719
oh my god we'll talk after the show but

3440
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,080
yeah let dude that

3441
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,840
i would love to visualize that have

3442
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:53,280
other people be able to

3443
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,719
to see that i think that would be an

3444
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,320
awesome illustrator

3445
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,920
don't you think that would be sick dude

3446
01:49:00,470 --> 01:49:00,159
yeah definitely definitely would be sick

3447
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,480
yeah

3448
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:02,480
i'm sure he's got like some technical

3449
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,520
specs that

3450
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:05,119
that i could probably punch up and make

3451
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:06,719
more out illustrated and stuff like that

3452
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:08,400
but i could just imagine him

3453
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:10,000
you know sitting there staring at the

3454
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,840
great say okay i

3455
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,199
started from the bot how am i supposed

3456
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,679
to get to the top

3457
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,840
exactly yeah on the top that's what i

3458
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,080
loved about a story because it was so

3459
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:22,320
descriptive right like i felt like i was

3460
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:23,440
there yeah

3461
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:26,080
like oh man i don't this guy's not a

3462
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:28,320
professional storyteller i mean he's not

3463
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:29,280
making this up he

3464
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,280
saw this [\h__\h] yeah dude let's call it a

3465
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:33,199
dream whatever i don't care but this

3466
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:33,599
fool

3467
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:36,480
saw that dude that's all i'm saying i

3468
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,280
think

3469
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:39,199
that thing must dude yeah i mean he was

3470
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,960
super descriptive about it i mean it was

3471
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:42,639
almost like you were there

3472
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,760
dude and that's another thing of why i

3473
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,280
why i like to do this stuff because a

3474
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:48,400
lot of these people they're not

3475
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:49,520
professional they

3476
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:51,040
they don't have the training and stuff

3477
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:52,239
like that and i'm sort of lending my

3478
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,119
talent

3479
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,119
to again help them figure this [\h__\h] out

3480
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,639
it's like when i talk to them i feel

3481
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,400
like i'm helping them

3482
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,880
solve a mystery absolutely i wanna i

3483
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,480
wanna figure out all these details i

3484
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,159
wanna figure this [\h__\h] out

3485
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,880
it's as much for me as it is for them

3486
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:09,119
you know it's because i wanna

3487
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,040
i wanna get these details and see okay

3488
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:12,880
how will this work how could this have

3489
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,440
happened

3490
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,520
right type of thing and and sort of

3491
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:16,560
jotting it's like

3492
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:18,080
you gotta get it out of your system

3493
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,760
somehow i i feel like it's an

3494
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,239
i imagine that's how they feel yeah i

3495
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:24,239
feel like it's analogous to writing

3496
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:25,599
music right like

3497
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,400
i'm a songwriter joe's a musician uh and

3498
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:30,239
songwriter i mean like

3499
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:33,119
just having this idea and being able to

3500
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:34,320
manifest it

3501
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,639
it's almost like i have to get this i

3502
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:38,560
just have to get it out and record it

3503
01:50:41,230 --> 01:50:38,960
and then

3504
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:41,240
song for a year

3505
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,480
[Laughter]

3506
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:46,159
but yeah man that's awesome i i think

3507
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,599
yeah if

3508
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,119
anybody's listening i mean do you want

3509
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,360
to give out your information or just say

3510
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:53,199
hey like if if you have a story and you

3511
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,719
want me to illustrate it like can people

3512
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:55,679
reach out to you

3513
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,599
through it's not it's not going to

3514
01:51:02,229 --> 01:50:59,920
always be for free because i do have a

3515
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:02,239
daytime job right yeah i didn't mean the

3516
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:03,119
thing is if

3517
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:05,280
if you need to if you want to hire me

3518
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:06,719
out to help you out

3519
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,040
i can be found on facebook i'm in the

3520
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,639
group you can find me there

3521
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,800
chris holm you can go you can come to my

3522
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:14,080
show

3523
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:17,119
conspire

3524
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,159
theory at outlook.com

3525
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:23,040
that's the show account uh for for the

3526
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,480
show email

3527
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,239
and you know i get a lot of spam in

3528
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:28,000
there but you know i'll i will try to

3529
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:29,599
rifle through and make sure that i get

3530
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,440
if you have a legit experience

3531
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:34,080
yeah that you want to share with me i'm

3532
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:34,639
always

3533
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,679
stories

3534
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,679
i'm always open to hearing people out i

3535
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,960
haven't been able to post

3536
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,960
shows lately because of the whole cover

3537
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,639
thing yeah you know because i'm one i'm

3538
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:46,239
one of those guys it's like everybody's

3539
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,520
doing stuff and i'm like

3540
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:50,320
i'm i'm working right the entire thing

3541
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,719
you know

3542
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:52,480
it's it's like i'm not one of these guys

3543
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,920
that gets to to

3544
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,639
sit at home or or anything and and wait

3545
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:58,239
for the rest of the world to

3546
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,199
to keep up i i have to i'm pretty much

3547
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,520
swamped now with work

3548
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,520
that you know i mean i lucky i i'm able

3549
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:07,599
to to get a day off just to get this i'm

3550
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:10,480
putting them like 60 plus hours a week

3551
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,080
damn son well that's awesome i mean

3552
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:16,880
yeah i'm glad i'm glad you're busy man i

3553
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,199
know

3554
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,199
maybe it's not good for the the creative

3555
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,679
outlook but man this is like oh

3556
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,920
yeah it's awesome that you you have uh

3557
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:26,000
that that job to go to and i know a lot

3558
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,599
of people listening are probably like oh

3559
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,199
man i

3560
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:31,760
wish i had that that 60 hour a week i

3561
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,639
could use it

3562
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:35,040
yeah but yeah i know and i'm like very

3563
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:36,480
grateful for that but you know that's

3564
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:37,040
just

3565
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:42,480
but again you know it's like if people

3566
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:44,000
want to share their experiences with me

3567
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:45,199
i mean that's not going to guarantee

3568
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,760
anything

3569
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,679
yeah but i i do love hearing about

3570
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,199
people's experiences i

3571
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,360
this stuff fascinates me especially if

3572
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:53,040
it's something along the lines of like

3573
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:56,960
a cryptid encounter or a um

3574
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:59,440
let's see like uh like one of my bread

3575
01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:01,199
things that i just love the most is the

3576
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,920
contact d

3577
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:04,159
experience like i i can never get enough

3578
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,119
of those

3579
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,440
um i'm always like whenever anybody like

3580
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:09,199
has those i'll reach them out you know

3581
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:10,320
there are a couple of guests on your

3582
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,840
show that i've heard and it's like hey

3583
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,639
can i

3584
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:14,880
maybe get a bit more details of that and

3585
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,080
yeah you know

3586
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:18,400
other other stuff like that and it's

3587
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:19,520
just it's just a

3588
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:23,040
fascinating thing um i remember i like

3589
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:24,320
made like a little like

3590
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:26,000
when i go to these conventions i like

3591
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:28,159
printed out my own little coloring book

3592
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,159
of little cryptids and stuff like that

3593
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:32,719
you know for kids and stuff like that

3594
01:53:35,830 --> 01:53:34,880
so it's it's just i you know i'm i'm

3595
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:35,840
always

3596
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,520
inspiration for me and stuff like that

3597
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:43,679
yeah man that's awesome i i feel like

3598
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:44,400
definitely like

3599
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:46,480
if i ever wrote or me and joe ever wrote

3600
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:48,000
a book we'd have you illustrate it for

3601
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,800
sure dude

3602
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,560
yeah that would be cool i love that

3603
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:52,400
picture that you did of me and ben and

3604
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:53,040
the impala

3605
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:56,560
oh my god dude yeah i remember i hit you

3606
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:57,360
up chris i was like

3607
01:54:01,430 --> 01:54:00,400
did you did you freaking drop did you do

3608
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:01,440
this

3609
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,480
and you were like uh yeah

3610
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,880
that was good it's so good i love that

3611
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:08,639
[\h__\h]

3612
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:10,800
that was great well when we decided to

3613
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:12,159
do a t-shirt out of that we're going to

3614
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:14,080
throw you some cash for sure dude

3615
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,639
yeah yeah definitely dude so i i have a

3616
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:17,840
question about

3617
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:20,960
go not the next one but the one after

3618
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:22,639
that oh the the troll

3619
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:25,520
uh person throwing the alligator that's

3620
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:26,159
cool yeah

3621
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:29,840
that was uh um his name escapes me but

3622
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,800
he's like a

3623
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,360
a researcher who's doing in a like he's

3624
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:36,080
like researching catholic demonology

3625
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,000
and he's going so far as to even going

3626
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:39,760
to the vatican and doing all this

3627
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:42,639
deep deep research on demonology and

3628
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:44,000
stuff like that

3629
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:47,440
and when he was a child um this was a

3630
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,119
an account from like one of shannon

3631
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:51,679
legross into the frey episodes

3632
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:54,320
i i forget which one it was but it it's

3633
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:56,239
very easy to find

3634
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,760
he had when he was a child

3635
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,320
he had seen this creature in the corner

3636
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:05,040
of his room and it was just there and

3637
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:05,360
and

3638
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:08,800
terrified it was a scaly looking

3639
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:09,920
creature

3640
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:12,159
it had scales it had like the big ears

3641
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:14,080
it looked very trollish

3642
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:17,760
it had like the the big lips the the

3643
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:18,639
knife

3644
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:22,800
the serrated teeth and it smiled at him

3645
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,599
and it waved at him it just put up his

3646
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,400
hand and it waved at them

3647
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:30,320
it had only like what the the two or

3648
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:31,440
three fingers on

3649
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:33,920
and it was just so horrifying and it

3650
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,480
looks so

3651
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,840
fat and dumpy and just

3652
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:40,080
the the the texture of the skin and

3653
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,280
stuff was like

3654
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:43,440
you know it was it wasn't like you know

3655
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:45,199
reptilian but it looked like it

3656
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,920
it looked you know bumpy and so textured

3657
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:49,280
and stuff like that he did such a good

3658
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:49,840
job

3659
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:52,880
describing that stuff to her um

3660
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:54,800
and what had happened was that he had

3661
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:56,000
seen it

3662
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:58,080
and then you know he he got up and he

3663
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:00,159
was you know of course terrified

3664
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:03,440
and he had taken his stuffed alligator

3665
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:07,199
and he threw it at it and it disappeared

3666
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,119
whoa the creature disappeared and the

3667
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,119
stuff alligator just i guess hit the

3668
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:14,719
wall it looks like it's trying to catch

3669
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:15,920
it but it's like

3670
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:18,400
it you know he's wait it's waving at him

3671
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:20,080
you know and and he thinks that it was

3672
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,360
some sort of like

3673
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:23,199
he was like trying to tempt him or

3674
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:24,960
something or or trying to

3675
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,840
you know it's like trying to you know

3676
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,520
just trying to get at him or something

3677
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:31,440
of that nature and it was

3678
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:34,159
such a shaking experience he seems just

3679
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:35,599
from your drawing he seems like he would

3680
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:37,280
be kind of a nice guy he's gonna say

3681
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,480
maybe he was just trying to be a nice

3682
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,320
guy he's just waving at it you know

3683
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,960
it looks like a monster zinc kind of

3684
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:44,400
deal like he just walked in through the

3685
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,520
wrong door

3686
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,040
and then the person woke up and he's

3687
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:49,360
like oh hello

3688
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:53,440
yeah yeah like kind of like in a uh

3689
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:57,040
uh damn it captain marvel

3690
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,560
where the the green guys like

3691
01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:00,000
everybody's like just stay away from

3692
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:01,440
them and then they end up like being

3693
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,709
the scrolls yes yes the scrolls and

3694
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:08,159
everybody's like oh they're bad they're

3695
01:57:11,350 --> 01:57:08,480
gonna

3696
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:11,360
turns out that they're nice and it's

3697
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:12,400
like oh yeah

3698
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:15,520
we just uh sorry about that we're gonna

3699
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:16,560
be a dixie oil

3700
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,679
we apologize yeah man

3701
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:21,360
yeah that's super cool that's a cool

3702
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:23,440
image i love that dude that's super

3703
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:24,719
awesome

3704
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:27,920
so uh going to over uh

3705
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:30,000
the my what does that say my paranormal

3706
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:31,119
experience

3707
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:32,960
it looks like there's like a light being

3708
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:34,960
or some kind of infrared

3709
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,199
person that was the that sort of a

3710
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:38,880
rendition of what my mom saw

3711
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:42,560
oh the one in the middle is sort of like

3712
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,520
what i saw

3713
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,880
in the hallway that was haunting my

3714
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:46,719
experience and the one on the

3715
01:57:50,709 --> 01:57:48,639
on the third that's sort of a lucid

3716
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:50,719
dream experience that i had i don't

3717
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:52,159
i don't know if i want to get into that

3718
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:55,360
because it's kind of nursing

3719
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,880
it's all right yeah no it's all good

3720
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:58,480
dude well uh okay i'll just i'll just

3721
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,320
throw that out just to wrap things up

3722
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,560
so i i was having this lucid dream and

3723
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,080
i'm pretty sure it was a lucid dream was

3724
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:06,719
again sleep paralysis was set in i was

3725
01:58:11,270 --> 01:58:09,119
having sleep paralysis in my dream

3726
01:58:12,790 --> 01:58:11,280
and i was dreaming that i was on my

3727
01:58:15,189 --> 01:58:12,800
mattress and my mattress was in the

3728
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:15,199
middle of like a world war

3729
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:18,320
of a civil war battlefield and there was

3730
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,880
and i could sense this presence on the

3731
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:22,800
side of me and it was this woman

3732
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:24,239
and she had her back to me and i could

3733
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:26,560
see her her own hair she looked funny i

3734
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:27,280
could just

3735
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:30,880
i could see only so much from the

3736
01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:33,199
from her back and she had like this this

3737
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:34,239
sort of like will

3738
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:37,040
this like white dress on and i could

3739
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:38,719
feel you know i i was trying to will

3740
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:39,360
myself

3741
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,440
into you know getting control back to my

3742
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:43,119
body so i can get up

3743
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:45,599
and and my hand reached out and i

3744
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:47,119
reached out to grab her

3745
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:49,840
but what i grabbed was her ass cheek and

3746
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:50,320
then

3747
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,400
into this reality and i was grabbing the

3748
01:59:04,790 --> 01:58:59,199
corner of my mattress with a death grip

3749
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:06,390
i i love that that should be a

3750
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:09,520
commercial for a casper mattress

3751
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:12,960
yeah something something it's as soft as

3752
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:13,840
a booty

3753
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,480
casper mattresses soft as a baby soft as

3754
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:18,080
a booty

3755
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:19,920
so i was pretty much you know groping a

3756
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,119
ghost you know

3757
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:23,920
dude that's crazy that's awesome i love

3758
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:25,040
that dude

3759
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:27,040
so yeah man and then you have this this

3760
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:29,199
little uh

3761
01:59:32,310 --> 01:59:31,119
white wolf guy i mean i mean it seems to

3762
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:32,320
be kind of uh

3763
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:34,719
your theme is like this this this wolf

3764
01:59:37,589 --> 01:59:36,639
or fox or something right yeah that

3765
01:59:40,149 --> 01:59:37,599
that's that's the

3766
01:59:40,709 --> 01:59:40,159
show mascot it's actually every single

3767
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:40,719
show

3768
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:47,440
over time they develop their own sort of

3769
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:48,000
uh

3770
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:52,320
perspectives

3771
01:59:56,310 --> 01:59:54,080
they talk about the shimmer man a lot so

3772
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:56,320
they get a lot of shimmer man stories

3773
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:59,760
um uh let's see what is it uh strange

3774
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:01,920
familiars they talk about the

3775
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:05,360
the let's see the lumberjack the the man

3776
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:07,520
in plaid so they get plaid man

3777
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:10,560
stuff a lot and and but you know

3778
02:00:14,229 --> 02:00:12,560
and and i'm like i'm not waiting to get

3779
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:14,239
myself a show encrypted so it's like

3780
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:16,159
i'll just make up my own

3781
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:18,480
yeah so what i have is what that's

3782
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:19,520
supposed to be

3783
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:21,599
is it's a little white fox that's sort

3784
02:00:25,270 --> 02:00:23,199
of my mascot

3785
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:25,280
in in the logo you see him he's like

3786
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:27,360
curled up he's got the microphone on and

3787
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:30,400
he's like no and that's supposed to

3788
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:32,159
represent the the trickster element

3789
02:00:35,669 --> 02:00:34,159
because in the japanese lore they have

3790
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:35,679
the kitsune which is the

3791
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:38,800
the trickster that is their

3792
02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:40,800
that is what they label as trickster

3793
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,920
element and

3794
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:44,080
every single podcast you know whenever

3795
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,679
they run into a brick wall they say oh

3796
02:00:48,790 --> 02:00:47,280
well that's the trickster element and

3797
02:00:51,350 --> 02:00:48,800
that's what that represents

3798
02:00:53,109 --> 02:00:51,360
interesting what that is particular as i

3799
02:00:53,990 --> 02:00:53,119
call those things i call them the yif

3800
02:00:55,430 --> 02:00:54,000
kings

3801
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:55,440
and they're supposed to be like foxes

3802
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:57,280
and stuff that whenever you hear

3803
02:01:01,430 --> 02:01:00,080
like screaming or or terrible you know

3804
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:01,440
noises in the woods that's

3805
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:04,239
them you know and what my goal is is

3806
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:06,000
when i have a serious researcher on is

3807
02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:08,400
to see if i can trip them up you know

3808
02:01:11,430 --> 02:01:10,080
and they're like talking well and then

3809
02:01:12,790 --> 02:01:11,440
this happened and then this

3810
02:01:15,109 --> 02:01:12,800
and then that's it and then and then

3811
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,119
i'll just whisper and hmm

3812
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:17,280
sounds like gif kings and it's like wait

3813
02:01:27,430 --> 02:01:18,880
what

3814
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:30,070
like take it seriously for like a second

3815
02:01:33,669 --> 02:01:31,119
oh my god

3816
02:01:35,750 --> 02:01:33,679
and it's like and and that it's it's a

3817
02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:35,760
funny thing it's sort of a furry

3818
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,719
you know uh it's a sort of a deviant

3819
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:40,080
furry thing

3820
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:42,400
but it's just a fun little you know it's

3821
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:43,119
a joke

3822
02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:46,480
for my show

3823
02:01:50,709 --> 02:01:48,480
that's great i'm just looking at your

3824
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:50,719
your podcast album artwork and i do see

3825
02:01:55,589 --> 02:01:51,040
the

3826
02:01:57,030 --> 02:01:55,599
little fox and he's curled up in a

3827
02:01:57,830 --> 02:01:57,040
little ball it looks like some of this

3828
02:02:01,189 --> 02:01:57,840
little image

3829
02:02:01,669 --> 02:02:01,199
all right and yeah it's a cute little

3830
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:01,679
thing

3831
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:05,040
so oh and before that

3832
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:06,560
that was sort of like always my little

3833
02:02:11,109 --> 02:02:08,800
mascot yeah

3834
02:02:12,550 --> 02:02:11,119
so i i just have a question just this

3835
02:02:13,030 --> 02:02:12,560
just popped into my head this might be

3836
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:13,040
dumb

3837
02:02:17,109 --> 02:02:16,000
but um if you were so i watched uh do

3838
02:02:20,229 --> 02:02:17,119
you ever watch the show

3839
02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:20,239
uh supernatural

3840
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:22,080
i've i've heard of it but i i really

3841
02:02:25,030 --> 02:02:23,679
don't haven't watched it but i am pretty

3842
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:25,040
familiar with a lot of the lore

3843
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:27,280
okay yeah so they they go into a lot of

3844
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:28,320
this demon

3845
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:30,480
angel trickster kind of stuff they have

3846
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:31,760
episodes like

3847
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:33,840
specifically catered towards this

3848
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:36,159
trickster type of person that

3849
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:38,560
that changes your alter like he alters

3850
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:40,880
your reality and things like that

3851
02:02:46,229 --> 02:02:44,000
uh uh have you ever heard of other of

3852
02:02:46,950 --> 02:02:46,239
specific stories involving the trickster

3853
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:46,960
or does that

3854
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:50,080
pop up a lot or is there one specific

3855
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:52,000
entity or story that you can point to

3856
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:52,880
that that

3857
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,400
um as far as what one that i can you

3858
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:00,719
know say like oh that's definitive

3859
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:03,520
i i really can't whenever it's anything

3860
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:05,280
dealing with the fae

3861
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,440
yeah they credit that a lot to that okay

3862
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:09,520
they credit that a lot to the tricksters

3863
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:11,920
or or anything with like bodies of water

3864
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:13,360
you know there's like phenomenon

3865
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:14,800
happening during bodies of water

3866
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,320
like the kelpies and stuff like that

3867
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:18,159
that that that is

3868
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:20,880
they're put into that campus well it's

3869
02:03:25,270 --> 02:03:22,560
just a lot of different stuff

3870
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:25,280
yeah i mean it's whenever people i think

3871
02:03:30,950 --> 02:03:25,760
it was

3872
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:30,960
see what is it the the four one one you

3873
02:03:34,790 --> 02:03:32,639
know a lot of people are crap that's

3874
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:34,800
the trickster right because they get

3875
02:03:38,950 --> 02:03:35,920
[\h__\h] with all the time

3876
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:38,960
all right yeah i think even i think the

3877
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:39,440
year

3878
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:42,639
terry sorry terry loveless when when he

3879
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:44,639
when he during one of his accounts he

3880
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,320
said he felt like they they were there

3881
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:48,000
they had like a veil

3882
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:51,119
of sedation put over them you know again

3883
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:53,440
a lot of people would account that to

3884
02:03:56,790 --> 02:03:54,960
like oh that's the trickster element

3885
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:56,800
trying to mess with them trying to

3886
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:59,199
tempt them yeah kind of thing so it's

3887
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,639
sort of like it's sort of like a

3888
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:02,639
catch-all umbrella term for like when

3889
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:04,000
something happens

3890
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:06,079
it's not supposed to happen or or that's

3891
02:04:10,950 --> 02:04:08,639
just not in the realm of whatever like

3892
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:10,960
whenever like you follow bigfoot tracks

3893
02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:13,199
and they disappear into nothing

3894
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,760
right okay that just got we just got had

3895
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:17,280
by the trickster

3896
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:19,360
that's awesome dude i wonder i wonder

3897
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:21,119
what what our cryptid would be

3898
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:24,639
for our show oh [\h__\h] well you guys got

3899
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:26,880
so many what about like cinnamon terry

3900
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:33,990
yes i love that you know that's awesome

3901
02:04:38,069 --> 02:04:34,800
that's so great

3902
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:38,079
cinnamon taran he's dies well

3903
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:40,000
cinnamon terry if he's a trickster he's

3904
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:41,679
he's here before every show

3905
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:44,320
and make sure that we we have we always

3906
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:45,440
have something go wrong

3907
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:48,639
before the show like that's it dude

3908
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:52,000
every [\h__\h] time there's something

3909
02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:55,760
that is episode 54 and

3910
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:58,239
and we still had something going wrong

3911
02:05:00,790 --> 02:04:59,840
like you would think we'd have it down

3912
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:00,800
by now but

3913
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:03,599
every single show it's it's something

3914
02:05:06,790 --> 02:05:04,159
random

3915
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:06,800
yeah it's so weird dude it's so weird so

3916
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,719
yeah cinnamon terry yeah we're blaming

3917
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:09,840
him from now on

3918
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:12,400
yeah that's great man that's great dude

3919
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:13,920
hell yeah

3920
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:16,480
well chris man i gotta say dude this was

3921
02:05:18,629 --> 02:05:16,960
uh

3922
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:18,639
awesome and fun and we have to do this

3923
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,639
again we should make this a a more

3924
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:22,239
uh you know we got to check in with you

3925
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:23,840
more often dude

3926
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:25,679
you're such a a great speaker and you've

3927
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:28,239
got amazing stories man and i know

3928
02:05:31,990 --> 02:05:30,079
people are going to want more from you

3929
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:32,000
so dude we we got to have you back on

3930
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:33,280
soon

3931
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:34,560
yeah yeah there's a bunch of [\h__\h] i

3932
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,639
didn't get into so i yeah i

3933
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:38,880
definitely got enough to come back with

3934
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:39,679
but it's just

3935
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:41,280
it's yeah there's just so much stuff out

3936
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:42,800
there and i really do love you guys show

3937
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:44,000
and i love the support that you guys

3938
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:45,520
have shown me you know giving me shout

3939
02:05:48,310 --> 02:05:46,639
outs and stuff like that

3940
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,320
that really means a lot to me and and

3941
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,560
i'm glad to throw you guys some support

3942
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:52,480
i know that that you know like when i

3943
02:05:56,629 --> 02:05:54,320
say earlier with ryan sprague you know

3944
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,639
like you know i mean i do support his

3945
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:58,639
show and it's and it's just funny and i

3946
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,320
give him so much credit as i extend to

3947
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:02,480
you guys you know as far as

3948
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,960
you know that we can we can agree and

3949
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:07,360
disagree on [\h__\h] but we can still have a

3950
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:08,880
civil conversation

3951
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:10,800
i mean the social media and the twitter

3952
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:13,360
algorithm that's not real life

3953
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:15,679
that doesn't dictate that that whether

3954
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:17,599
or not we can or can't connect

3955
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:19,840
on on any kind of level right i mean we

3956
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:20,960
all love this thing

3957
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,800
yeah we're all stuck in it you know and

3958
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:24,480
and i just love you guys showing you

3959
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:25,760
know and i i

3960
02:06:29,189 --> 02:06:26,960
definitely want to throw you guys some

3961
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:29,199
support out there and and it's great

3962
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:30,159
that you guys you know

3963
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:32,000
return it as well you know i mean i just

3964
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:33,280
love the mutual support

3965
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:34,719
and the and the closeness of the

3966
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:36,719
community yeah it's just

3967
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:39,520
it's it's really just awe-inspiring you

3968
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:39,920
know

3969
02:06:50,190 --> 02:06:44,480
my my favorite part of the show is when

3970
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,350
[Laughter]

3971
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:55,760
my favorite part hey hey you want to do

3972
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:57,119
it with us and we'll cut you back when

3973
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,880
we when we end it

3974
02:07:02,069 --> 02:07:00,400
okay i'm gonna count down from three and

3975
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:02,079
let's start it all right three two

3976
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:10,069
this was another episode a ufo garage

3977
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:12,400
i love that dude yeah man and when you

3978
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:13,520
get some uh

3979
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:17,520
things kind of calm down

3980
02:07:20,709 --> 02:07:20,400
we gotta we gotta link up in person man

3981
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:20,719
and

3982
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:22,880
hang out maybe we'll go to uh one of

3983
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:24,560
those horror cons out there in san

3984
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:26,880
antonio or something cool like that dude

3985
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,159
for sure

3986
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,400
yeah yeah i mean i i'd love to just

3987
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:32,159
record live with you guys sometime

3988
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:35,360
yeah that would be awesome yeah but

3989
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,800
i was definitely i definitely wanted to

3990
02:07:39,910 --> 02:07:38,400
do that i was more than willing to just

3991
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,920
like drive the hour and a half up to

3992
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,280
meet up with you guys

3993
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:43,040
because it's just you know i mean it's

3994
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,400
not that much of a drive to me because

3995
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:46,079
i'm going to austin all the time

3996
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:47,440
there's always something going on down

3997
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,599
there art related that i'm going to

3998
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:51,360
so it it's definitely doable we can

3999
02:07:54,229 --> 02:07:53,920
definitely do a live recording i'd love

4000
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:54,239
to

4001
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,920
let's set that up let's set that up

4002
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:58,079
pretty soon that would be really cool to

4003
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,599
do for sure oh yeah

4004
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:01,760
yeah that would be awesome uh yeah you

4005
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:03,280
would be the uh the second uh

4006
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:06,719
guest to be in the studio so i guess

4007
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:07,119
well

4008
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:09,280
uh jim goodall this weekend but you know

4009
02:08:12,950 --> 02:08:10,800
well yeah it'd be good

4010
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,960
i think the vibe would be pretty cool to

4011
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:14,239
have you in the studio man

4012
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:17,040
absolutely awesome absolutely well hell

4013
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:17,679
yeah man

4014
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:20,800
uh you know the sentiment is getting

4015
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:22,560
thrown right back at you man we love the

4016
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,280
show

4017
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,599
um and yeah it's it's all about

4018
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:27,199
supporting each other man i mean we're

4019
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:28,960
all out here doing the same thing we

4020
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:29,520
love it

4021
02:08:32,629 --> 02:08:31,760
um it's it's it's a passion for all of

4022
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,639
us and uh

4023
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,800
and we have a good time doing it too man

4024
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:36,639
and that's that's really what counts in

4025
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,520
this whole thing

4026
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:39,760
yeah and thanks for supporting us and

4027
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:41,599
showing us off man i really appreciate

4028
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:43,599
that dude that's that's awesome i'm glad

4029
02:08:47,189 --> 02:08:44,159
we could

4030
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,199
be mutual on that for sure for sure

4031
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,360
but uh yeah man all right well dude

4032
02:08:52,629 --> 02:08:50,800
thank you so much for being on the show

4033
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:52,639
bro we'll uh be in touch soon and i'll

4034
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,920
let you know when we uh

4035
02:08:57,589 --> 02:08:56,000
we got the video up but the podcast will

4036
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,599
be up pretty soon so

4037
02:09:01,510 --> 02:09:00,000
you'll see it on the group yeah no

4038
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:01,520
problem i'll i'll send you a collection

4039
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:02,639
of links and stuff for

4040
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,239
for show notes and stuff like that okay

4041
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:05,679
awesome yeah and anything you want to

4042
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:06,719
add before we get off

4043
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:08,000
like where can people find you if

4044
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:09,599
they're not interested or if they're not

4045
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,960
familiar with you if they're interested

4046
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,560
in hearing more about you can you plug

4047
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:14,000
your podcast and where people can find

4048
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:14,480
you yeah

4049
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:16,000
sure thing just any any kind of

4050
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:17,920
podcaster or podcaster just go ahead and

4051
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:23,669
that's you guys yes any kind of

4052
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:24,719
podcatcher or

4053
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:26,239
or any kind just go ahead go into your

4054
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:28,320
search bar search conspire theory

4055
02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:30,239
it's the one with the little fox and the

4056
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:31,679
logo

4057
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:33,599
you can find me in in any of the the

4058
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:35,520
formats and if you need to

4059
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:38,800
go to find me in the rs rss feed or

4060
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:40,480
whatever you know you can always go to

4061
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:43,440
automatic at conspiredtheory.com that's

4062
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:44,960
my host and then they'll

4063
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:47,360
you can find links there for for

4064
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:49,440
listening and all that stuff like that

4065
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:51,040
if you want to write into the show right

4066
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:53,280
into conspire theory at outlook.com

4067
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:54,800
that's all one word

4068
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:57,119
that's that'll go that's specifically

4069
02:09:59,589 --> 02:09:58,000
for the show

4070
02:10:01,669 --> 02:09:59,599
and then i'll take a look at that and

4071
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:01,679
you can communicate with through there

4072
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,760
you can find me on facebook i mean i'm

4073
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:05,040
at chrishome

4074
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:07,760
i'm chris holm you can find me there you

4075
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:09,360
know i mean i know that there's like a

4076
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:10,239
lot of a lot of

4077
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:12,159
names out there but if you want to find

4078
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:13,520
me like specifically through

4079
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:16,320
the ufo garage facebook group you can go

4080
02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:17,760
in there you can search the members and

4081
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:19,520
find me there and then contact me

4082
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:20,320
through that

4083
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:21,679
i know that most people aren't too

4084
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:23,760
active with with um

4085
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:26,320
with facebook and stuff like that but if

4086
02:10:28,229 --> 02:10:27,920
you have that go ahead and use that but

4087
02:10:33,589 --> 02:10:28,239
i

4088
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:33,599
me

4089
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:39,679
that if people need to

4090
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:43,199
need to talk to me awesome man

4091
02:10:46,870 --> 02:10:44,880
well dude thank you again so much

4092
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:46,880
brother and uh man this was awesome

4093
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:48,000
let's do it soon

4094
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:50,320
let's do it again soon all right oh yeah

4095
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:51,679
man all right brother we'll talk to you

4096
02:10:57,510 --> 02:10:53,520
later man

4097
02:10:59,589 --> 02:10:57,520
bye-bye all right peace hell yeah

4098
02:11:01,189 --> 02:10:59,599
nice that was good stuff man that was

4099
02:11:01,669 --> 02:11:01,199
good stuff yeah he's such a good guy

4100
02:11:03,510 --> 02:11:01,679
yeah

4101
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:03,520
i know that was fun that was a lot of

4102
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:05,599
fun i i can't wait to do the uh

4103
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,960
the uh in in person uh live

4104
02:11:12,069 --> 02:11:10,400
the live recording with him that's going

4105
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:12,079
to be fun dude we got to set that up

4106
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:13,280
that would be sick i didn't even think

4107
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:14,719
about that why didn't we do it live we

4108
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:15,119
should

4109
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:21,350
sometimes we're just so smart that like

4110
02:11:25,189 --> 02:11:22,960
we just don't think of stuff

4111
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:25,199
you know that's what i that's what i

4112
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:26,159
think it is yeah

4113
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:29,679
dude man like we got into so many

4114
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:33,199
interesting like uh what's the word

4115
02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:36,159
uh controversial topics tonight yeah it

4116
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:36,880
was cool

4117
02:11:40,629 --> 02:11:39,119
like i loved that like we got into i

4118
02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:40,639
didn't think that it was going to go

4119
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:42,639
into a political thing at the beginning

4120
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,159
and then we did and it was i mean dude

4121
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,560
a lot of good points were made yeah yeah

4122
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:50,480
super interesting it was good stuff man

4123
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:51,360
you know i was

4124
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:53,840
because you know when he was like uh do

4125
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:55,599
we have like a format or like how should

4126
02:12:01,669 --> 02:11:57,599
we follow this

4127
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:01,679
it was kind of like we can have a format

4128
02:12:05,510 --> 02:12:03,599
but it's not gonna happen like it's just

4129
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:05,520
not gonna happen you know that's just

4130
02:12:09,669 --> 02:12:07,119
the way it's always been

4131
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:09,679
and uh you know that just the free flow

4132
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:11,280
conversation stuff i mean

4133
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:13,920
you you you seem to we seem to get into

4134
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:15,760
stuff that like we may not have

4135
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:17,440
otherwise gotten into yeah

4136
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:20,560
we have the format um but that's not to

4137
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:21,360
say

4138
02:12:25,510 --> 02:12:23,599
and also like it's cool too because if

4139
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:25,520
the other person does have a format

4140
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:27,280
and we don't follow it it just means we

4141
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:29,360
have material for like another show

4142
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:31,040
you know it just keeps going and going

4143
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:32,960
and going which i love man so

4144
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:34,560
and chris is definitely going to be back

4145
02:12:37,750 --> 02:12:36,239
on the show again just like

4146
02:12:39,830 --> 02:12:37,760
all of our guests are going to be back

4147
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:39,840
on the show you know what we need to do

4148
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:41,360
i mean not taking anything away from

4149
02:12:46,390 --> 02:12:43,119
this podcast but we need to check in

4150
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:46,400
on maybe tomorrow for freeman friday

4151
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:49,360
friedman let's see if uh joanna will

4152
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,400
will will talk to us

4153
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:51,760
yeah that would be i know it's like

4154
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,960
short notice but that'd be kind of fun

4155
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:54,719
since we're gonna do another podcast

4156
02:12:57,589 --> 02:12:55,840
tomorrow we're not gonna release it

4157
02:13:00,149 --> 02:12:57,599
until next week though right because

4158
02:13:01,189 --> 02:13:00,159
right i'm gonna be i'm gonna be on a

4159
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:01,199
vacation

4160
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:02,480
tomorrow did that where did that come

4161
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:04,400
from oh that that was just uh

4162
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:06,800
my computer wanted me to optimize my pc

4163
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:07,440
oh

4164
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:10,880
people yeah it's for smart do you want

4165
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:12,000
to be smart

4166
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:15,199
buy a pc you'll have to upgrade your

4167
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:16,400
system every

4168
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:19,679
[\h__\h] day update i mean what if if

4169
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:20,880
you're me

4170
02:13:27,109 --> 02:13:24,960
uh is it bad to just turn it off

4171
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:27,119
gosh dude i have no idea i've always

4172
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,800
heard that it's bad to just turn your

4173
02:13:33,589 --> 02:13:30,960
computer off i don't know i don't know

4174
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:33,599
and you know there you go i just

4175
02:13:36,229 --> 02:13:34,719
unplugged your computer so

4176
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:36,239
the sound won't come out and

4177
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:38,159
occasionally i'll just do i just hit

4178
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:39,119
that i love that when you have to turn

4179
02:13:44,149 --> 02:13:40,800
it off you have to press the alien head

4180
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:44,159
yeah that's awesome yeah dude

4181
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,560
yeah dude well hell yeah man uh i mean

4182
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:48,239
that's that's pretty much it for me man

4183
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:48,639
yeah

4184
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:50,880
i think that's good uh tomorrow well

4185
02:13:53,589 --> 02:13:52,000
that's not gonna release

4186
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:53,599
be released until next week but we have

4187
02:13:57,910 --> 02:13:55,040
a special guest uh

4188
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:57,920
jim goodall is gonna be in austin dude

4189
02:14:02,790 --> 02:13:58,800
we're gonna be

4190
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,800
barbecue and talking about spooky

4191
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:04,719
airplanes man it's gonna be

4192
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:07,199
awesome it who knows what it's gonna be

4193
02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:08,000
about because

4194
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:10,480
that guy has a million stories we're

4195
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:12,400
gonna we're gonna get maybe you know

4196
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:14,000
a couple sentences in and then we're

4197
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:15,440
just gonna listen to him

4198
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:18,400
talk because he is the mo i mean not not

4199
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:20,239
as a bad thing but like he's just got

4200
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:22,159
awesome stories yeah yeah he's a great

4201
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:24,159
speaker so hell yeah man look out for

4202
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:25,119
that one you guys

4203
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:27,599
that's great yeah hell yeah all right

4204
02:14:32,709 --> 02:14:29,520
well [\h__\h]

4205
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:32,719
hey we already did oh we already did it

4206
02:14:35,830 --> 02:14:34,560
we're not gonna do it again oh we're

4207
02:14:37,589 --> 02:14:35,840
gonna cut back into it

4208
02:14:39,589 --> 02:14:37,599
yeah we're gonna all right well we still

4209
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:39,599
need to say peace or something no we're

4210
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:40,320
good